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Forums - Gaming - Opinion: Two Years In - How The Wii Has Failed

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even though I mostly agree with the articles, at least the Wii isn't a wannabe PC, it offers a brand new experience in some way.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

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For people who don't think controls have added much to games.

Pointer control: play Galaxy and try collecting and using star bits as you run and jump. I didn't even try at first, but doing it well comes almost naturally as you progress and makes for an extra level of gameplay. No imagine doing that with dual analogs.

Nunchuck accelerometer (admittedly often used just as a button replacement): play Corruption to the point where you get the grapple and pull some shields off enemies as you shoot them. Strangely enjoyable.



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c0rd said:

Is this whole thing worth reading? I stopped after the "collecting dust" BS. How is it collecting dust for all the customers if it's consistently selling so much software? Especially when you factor in people like darthdevidem01 who only buy 3 games (the "hardcore" lowering the attach rate ). By that logic, there must be a ton of PS3's only being used as a Bluray player...

Oh, when I skimmed through I noticed he also claimed Wii Fit was brought out in response to the developers realizing the limited potential of the Wii Remote. Right...

If he wanted to give his opinion why he doesn't like the Wii as much as he could have, he should have done just that. Not try to pull BS out of his ass and claim they're facts.

 

That's when it started to go south for me. And I had the same reaction as you. People sure are adding a lot of Wii software to their dust-collectors.

Then there's this gem:

The problem is that waggling the Wii remote does not, in itself, add to a gameplay experience. If I want to open a virtual door and am asked to turn the Wii remote instead of pressing a button, that doesn’t make the experience more immersive.

Tell this to Sony, who tried to bring out a controller without force feedback. They figured it didn't really add anything to the gameplay or immersion, and gamers whined and whined until the DualShock 3 came out. Can anybody really argue that rumble is more immersive than motion?

If this guy has anything useful to say, it's buried under his own unrealistic expectations and anecdotes which he's expanded into universal truths.



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Everstar said:
Gamerace said:
The article has a point but I think it fails to recgonize the successes. Tiger Woods is great on the Wii. It'll be the true realization of the dream if they add WM+ and Balance Board support next year.

Games like Mecury Meltdown, Dewy and Kororinpa can FINALLY be played like they were always meant to be.

And I do feel the tactile feel of making certain motions really add to gameplay - when used properly. Like tossing grenades, checking opponets in Strikers or when used games like Cooking Mama and Zack & Wiki.

However he's right, it hasn't added much, if anything, to most games. Largely because it isn't really 1:1, and largely because developers are making the same game with waggle added in instead of making the game from the ground up with motion in mind.

In the end the Wii is less than the dream of what the Wii would be. Perhaps WM+ will fix this. But only if developers can let go of archaic game designs and put the effort into making great games and not quick cash-ins.

 

 If you read the top of the article this is his 2nd article of the wii the first was all the good this is the bad.

 

Good point.  Went back, read it and have to say, all of my comments still stand.   The original article never give motion controls any credit at all beyond getting people to buy the system.   That is an oversight.   To say all the same games could be played with buttons is perhaps technically true but it'd suck the fun right out of Wii Sports, Boom Blox, We Cheer, Cooking Mama, Dewy's Adventure and many, if not all other Wii games based around movement.

 



 

Strategyking92 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
I agree with this completely.

The Wii is no PS2 games wise....I only have 3 games for it...and I don't intend to buy any in teh future. Games wise it is really Gamecube 2....imo.

everyone says 3rd parties will come....but they have been saying that for 2 years now. If the wii doesn't give me a very good reason to own it soon....it may be replaced by a 360 at a profit (as the wii will sell for loads of $$$ at xmas)

 

ditto, although I already have a x360.

 

As I say to most if I can find 35 games and yall can only find 5 then there's an issue.  Either I like bad games or others have limited tastes/don't try anything. 

Now I don't know what it is but I'd say the majority of the Wii games I own have been good so it' most be the latter.  I think what you 2 need to admit though is Wii is a second console... not your first console meaning it's always going to get the shaft.  It's similar to my 360.  It's my second console and it gets the shaft when I buy games.  Currently I've bought very few games for it including: Burnout Paradise(never finished because it wasn't good), Orange Box(working on it slowly), Condemened(never finished and probably never will), Dead Rising(never finished because it isn't good), and Mass Effect(beat in 15 hrs and loved it). 

Now just giving those stats does this mean that 360 is a bad platform with no games because I've only bought 5 and finished one and liked only 2 of the 5.  No it doesn't... it just means it's a console that I don't buy many games for because my attention is focused elsewhere. 

 

It's important when you come in and discuss this that you don't let this get in the way of what the real meaning behind you not playing a certain console is.  Of course yall hav the liberty of having it slide becuase it's the Wii however in my scenario I'd get flamed forever for using that same argument about 360. 

 

If your going to say you don't like a console you have to have had supported it like a console you were going to like.  That should be the quote of the topic for those replying to this.



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I love how every article about the Wii always refers to "after couple weeks collecting dust"

And yet the Wii sells more software by a large margin every week than any of the other consoles. Must be that people like to have game cases fill up their entertainment rack and collect dust as well huh.



colonelstubbs said:
I said it once and il say it again...its a gamecube with motion controls. The public have just lapped it up because it offers something slightly different with its waggle. And before anyone says, i actually have a wii (in my uni apartment) i play on regularly.

First night- we played on it for 6 hours straight

One week later nobody plays on it, we play on my PS3 (theres 6 of us)

What does that tell you?

 

 And the PS3 is a PS2 with improved graphics, what is your point?



I love it when people (i.e. the "HARDCORE" gamers) point out that they know loads of people who don't play on their Wii anymore.
They seem to completely ignore that there is a fairly large % of owners of every console ever made, or every console which ever will be made, that buy it because of 1 game or "because it looks cool" play it for a short period of time and then it never gets played again.
The software sales on the Wii simply do not back up the argument that a higher % of Wii's aren't used, compared to the other consoles



irstupid said:
I love how every article about the Wii always refers to "after couple weeks collecting dust"

And yet the Wii sells more software by a large margin every week than any of the other consoles. Must be that people like to have game cases fill up their entertainment rack and collect dust as well huh.

Haha well obviously that must be the most logical thing.  They just keep buying software so the little white cases look beautiful on their shelves... but play it... not absolutely not that would just be blasphemy.

 



Aye, he can think bad things about Wii if he wants... I'll be getting my own soon enough! :D



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