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steven787 on 28 October 2008

That's not true, Obama supports the states right to choose whether Hand guns in the hands of individuals are covered by the 2nd amendment, basically allowing each local constituency to decide what the state militia means. He does not support overall gun bans or gun registration but he does support the enforcement of laws on vendors who sell illegally, which isn't enforce currently.

McCain doesn't involve himself in such insanity. Gun vendors are doing America a favor.

McCain/Palin 2008

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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akuma587 on 28 October 2008
cdude1034 said:
steven787 said:

 

...

The bill of rights:

Obama votes against torture, for upholding habeas corpus, and protecting the privacy of citizens and legal residents.  McCain is the opposite.  What are all these people complaining about? If you're not doing anything wrong than you have nothing to worry about.  McCain/Palin 2008

More to come... or add your own.

 

I won't even arguing your other points because frankly I find it's not worth it.

This one however, I find most intriguing. This argument by itself shows the massive amounts of what was wrong with America after 9/11.

It's not about having anything to hide, it's about not allowing the government to blatantly abuse the power we give it. Even if you're not planting a bomb, what's to stop a douchebag Homeland Security employee from going through your text messages for the hell of it? Or your wife from getting her buddy from looking up your phone records and bank account?

I'd rather live free and with the .001% chance of another attack than live scared of my government watching my every move with only a .0005% chance.

Those who sacrafice freedom for safety deserve neither.

Minus your spelling error, you couldn't have stated how I feel any more clearly.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

cdude1034 on 28 October 2008
akuma587 said:
cdude1034 said:
steven787 said:

 

...

The bill of rights:

Obama votes against torture, for upholding habeas corpus, and protecting the privacy of citizens and legal residents.  McCain is the opposite.  What are all these people complaining about? If you're not doing anything wrong than you have nothing to worry about.  McCain/Palin 2008

More to come... or add your own.

 

I won't even arguing your other points because frankly I find it's not worth it.

This one however, I find most intriguing. This argument by itself shows the massive amounts of what was wrong with America after 9/11.

It's not about having anything to hide, it's about not allowing the government to blatantly abuse the power we give it. Even if you're not planting a bomb, what's to stop a douchebag Homeland Security employee from going through your text messages for the hell of it? Or your wife from getting her buddy from looking up your phone records and bank account?

I'd rather live free and with the .001% chance of another attack than live scared of my government watching my every move with only a .0005% chance.

Those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither.

Minus your spelling error, you couldn't have stated how I feel any more clearly.

 

 

Spelling error? Edit: oops. Will fix



 

Currently playing: Civ 6

akuma587 on 28 October 2008
steven787 said:

That's not true, Obama supports the states right to choose whether Hand guns in the hands of individuals are covered by the 2nd amendment, basically allowing each local constituency to decide what the state militia means. He does not support overall gun bans or gun registration but he does support the enforcement of laws on vendors who sell illegally, which isn't enforce currently.

McCain doesn't involve himself in such insanity. Gun vendors are doing America a favor.

McCain/Palin 2008

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

This is one area where I think states rights would be a good forum for the question.  Obviously the federal government has an interest in banning quite a few types of firearms as there are a lot of laws on the books (and for good reason, I don't want people being able to buy AK-47's down the block), but for anything outside of that it probably is a good idea to let states decide.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

steven787 on 28 October 2008
akuma587 said:
cdude1034 said:
steven787 said:

 

...

The bill of rights:

Obama votes against torture, for upholding habeas corpus, and protecting the privacy of citizens and legal residents.  McCain is the opposite.  What are all these people complaining about? If you're not doing anything wrong than you have nothing to worry about.  McCain/Palin 2008

More to come... or add your own.

 

I won't even arguing your other points because frankly I find it's not worth it.

This one however, I find most intriguing. This argument by itself shows the massive amounts of what was wrong with America after 9/11.

It's not about having anything to hide, it's about not allowing the government to blatantly abuse the power we give it. Even if you're not planting a bomb, what's to stop a douchebag Homeland Security employee from going through your text messages for the hell of it? Or your wife from getting her buddy from looking up your phone records and bank account?

I'd rather live free and with the .001% chance of another attack than live scared of my government watching my every move with only a .0005% chance.

Those who sacrafice freedom for safety deserve neither.

Minus your spelling error, you couldn't have stated how I feel any more clearly.

 

 

I think you misunderstand me.

I figured out why all you liberals are against properly securing the homeland, because it will get in the way of your leftist plans to overthrow the government and install a Islamo-fascist communist government.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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cdude1034 on 28 October 2008
steven787 said:

 

I think you misunderstand me.

I figured out why all you liberals are against properly securing the homeland, because it will get in the way of your leftist plans to overthrow the government and install a Islamo-fascist communist government.

 

Well yeah. I thought anarchy was gov't overthrow though... Isn't that extreme right?



 

Currently playing: Civ 6

akuma587 on 28 October 2008

The only reason the extreme right wants the government overthrown is so they can sodomize their cousins and children and marry whoever the hell they want. Look at Utah and Texas if you don't believe me. Oh yeah, and so they can have guns, really BIG guns.

The extreme left at least has an ideological basis for overthrowing the government, but their proposal would be something along the lines of democratic socialism or communism-lite.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Username2324 on 28 October 2008

Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

If Barack wins then all 3 branches of government will be run by democrats and there will be no checks and balances.

The stage is set for the country to spin out of control.



steven787 on 28 October 2008
Username2324 said:
Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

If Barack wins then all 3 branches of government will be run by democrats and there will be no checks and balances.

The stage is set for the country to spin out of control.

 

Because when judges, the congress, and the president are all from the same party they always agree on everything.

Reagan Democrats are myth, democrats are all pinkos.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

Keep repeating it.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/obamas_first_100_days.html



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

akuma587 on 28 October 2008
steven787 said:
Username2324 said:
Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

If Barack wins then all 3 branches of government will be run by democrats and there will be no checks and balances.

The stage is set for the country to spin out of control.

 

Because when judges, the congress, and the president are all from the same party they always agree on everything.

Reagan Democrats are myth, democrats are all pinkos.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain.

Keep repeating it.

Use your brain. Vote Mccain...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/obamas_first_100_days.html

I think its working...

(Turns on Fox News)

Wow, I didn't know Obama is a Muslim!

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson