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His whole life, Barrack went as Barry... until he decided to run for public office.  He has purposely crafted an image of nothing to hide.  Once elected, I bet he will go back to Barry. (I was typing this before my last comment to Akuma.)

Are you OK with a president named Barry?  I'm not.  McCain/Palin 2008

Religion:

Obama supports Bush's program of funding private charities with religious connections.  I am tired of all these big tax and spend liberals being in the pocket of religious groups.  I'm for politicians who only allow religion to guide their policy making when it's on trivial issues like waging war, denying rights to people who disagree, or science education. 

Obama went to a church for twenty years where the pastor said bad things about the government; conservative churches never say anything bad about the government or the direction of the country.  McCain/Palin 2008

Ties to "radicals":

Barry is going to make Ayers the Secratary of Defense because he can think like a terrorist.  McCain will only promote people who fought governments and killed civilians while wearing a U.S. uniform and under the orders of a civilian leader.  McCain/Palin 2008

VP:

Biden slips up sometimes and sounds stupid.  Palin sometimes says stupid things, but says exactly what she means.  Accurate but wrong is better than bumbling and correct.  McCain/Palin 2008

The bill of rights:

Obama votes against torture, for upholding habeas corpus, and protecting the privacy of citizens and legal residents.  McCain is the opposite.  What are all these people complaining about? If you're not doing anything wrong than you have nothing to worry about.  McCain/Palin 2008

More to come... or add your own.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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Wise choice steven. I thought you were an Obamabot... PS Your avatar is soon tb dead-- http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jc1dyS1nZJvvV-I3gBPsq-iJfg2A



halogamer1989 said:
Wise choice steven. I thought you were an Obamabot... PS Your avatar is soon tb dead-- http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jc1dyS1nZJvvV-I3gBPsq-iJfg2A

I can't tell if this is sarcasm. I really can't.

 



 

 

We're with you Montana.

And by the way steven I think McCain is against torture, but he may have changed his stance. Last time I checked he was against it.



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akuma587 said:
We're with you Montana.

And by the way steven I think McCain is against torture, but he may have changed his stance. Last time I checked he was against it.

 

 

He say's he against torture but then votes FOR it.

Roll call:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00022

Full Text:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:h2082enr.txt.pdf

specifically: SEC. 326. REPORT ON COMPLIANCE WITH THE DETAINEE TREATMENT
ACT OF 2005 AND RELATED PROVISIONS OF THE MILITARY
COMMISSIONS ACT OF 2006.

(a) REPORT REQUIRED.—Not later than 45 days after the date
of the enactment of this Act, the Director of National Intelligence
shall submit to the congressional intelligence committees a comprehensive
report on all measures taken by the Office of the Director
of National Intelligence and by each element, if any, of the intelligence
community with relevant responsibilities to comply with
the provisions of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (title X
of division A of Public Law 109–148; 119 Stat. 2739) and related
provisions of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (Public Law
109–366; 120 Stat. 2600).
(b) ELEMENTS.—The report required by subsection (a) shall
include the following:
(1) A description of the detention or interrogation methods,
if any, that have been determined to comply with section 1003
of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (119 Stat. 2739; 42
U.S.C. 2000dd) and section 6 of the Military Commissions Act
of 2006 (120 Stat. 2632; 18 U.S.C. 2441 note) (including the
amendments made by such section 6), and, with respect to
each such method—
(A) an identification of the official making such determination;
and
(B) a statement of the basis for such determination.
(2) A description of the detention or interrogation methods,
if any, whose use has been discontinued pursuant to the
Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 or the Military Commission
Act of 2006, and, with respect to each such method—
(A) an identification of the official making the determination
to discontinue such method; and
(B) a statement of the basis for such determination.
(3) A description of any actions that have been taken to
implement section 1004 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005
(119 Stat. 2740; 42 U.S.C. 2000dd–1), and, with respect to
each such action—
(A) an identification of the official taking such action;
and
(B) a statement of the basis for such action.
(4) Any other matters that the Director considers necessary
to fully and currently inform the congressional intelligence
committees about the implementation of the Detainee Treatment
Act of 2005 and related provisions of the Military Commissions
Act of 2006.
(5) An appendix containing—
(A) all guidelines for the application of the Detainee
Treatment Act of 2005 and related provisions of the Military
Commissions Act of 2006 to the detention or interrogation
activities, if any, of any element of the intelligence
community; and
(B) the legal justifications of any office of the Department
of Justice about the meaning or application of the
H. R. 2082—26
Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 or related provisions of
the Military Commissions Act of 2006 with respect to the
detention or interrogation activities, if any, of any element
of the intelligence community.
(c ) FORM.—The report required by subsection (a) shall be submitted
in classified form.
(d) SUBMISSION TO THE CONGRESSIONAL ARMED SERVICES
COMMITTEES.—To the extent that the report required by subsection
(a) addresses an element of the intelligence community within the
Department of Defense, that portion of the report, and any associated
material that is necessary to make that portion understandable,
shall also be submitted by the Director of National Intelligence
to the congressional armed services committees.
(e) CONGRESSIONAL ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE DEFINED.—
In this section, the term ‘‘congressional armed services committees’’
means—
(1) the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate; and
(2) the Committee on Armed Services of the House of
Representatives.

SEC. 327. LIMITATION ON INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES.
(a) LIMITATION.—No individual in the custody or under the
effective control of an element of the intelligence community or
instrumentality thereof, regardless of nationality or physical location,
shall be subject to any treatment or technique of interrogation
not authorized by the United States Army Field Manual on Human
Intelligence Collector Operations.
(b) INSTRUMENTALITY DEFINED.—In this section, the term
‘‘instrumentality’’, with respect to an element of the intelligence
community, means a contractor or subcontractor at any tier of
the element of the intelligence community.

Bush went on to veto it.



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McCain may have been a victim of torture, but that experience and his vote FOR torture, proves that he is committed to pro-American values.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

I dont like obama period.... I hate mccain too... I'm voting Ron Paul.

Anyways Obama and all democrats want to remove the American people;s right to own fire arms which is wrong.



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ssj12 said:
I dont like obama period.... I hate mccain too... I'm voting Ron Paul.

Anyways Obama and all democrats want to remove the American people;s right to own fire arms which is wrong.

 

  Yeah-- No one is gonna take Southerner's guns ;O



steven787 said:

 

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The bill of rights:

Obama votes against torture, for upholding habeas corpus, and protecting the privacy of citizens and legal residents.  McCain is the opposite.  What are all these people complaining about? If you're not doing anything wrong than you have nothing to worry about.  McCain/Palin 2008

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I won't even arguing your other points because frankly I find it's not worth it.

This one however, I find most intriguing. This argument by itself shows the massive amounts of what was wrong with America after 9/11.

It's not about having anything to hide, it's about not allowing the government to blatantly abuse the power we give it. Even if you're not planting a bomb, what's to stop a douchebag Homeland Security employee from going through your text messages for the hell of it? Or your wife from getting her buddy from looking up your phone records and bank account?

I'd rather live free and with the .001% chance of another attack than live scared of my government watching my every move with only a .0005% chance.

Those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither.



 

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McCain fought with Bush over torture, but then changed his mind when he realized he could allow torture, but get a photo and a handshake with the president, and pretend it was a "compromise."