Your comment would make Bill O'Reilly proud! Jesus,lol, trying to make a statement that has nothing to do with the dicussion (no where does it say "they eat babies")

I went to bed after I gave my reply (was around 4:00am). First of all it isn't anti-semetic in anyway. If you look at the actual "Facts" Molech (Ba'al) was a semetic diety who was also worshipped throughout other middle eastern countries. Hell, it's in the Torah and New Testament for godsakes were god warned the people of Isreal about worshipping the caananite diety.

Also don't try using the Hiter statement because it's absolutely ridiculous.

Second of all I find it very amusing how you go and throw random things in like Aliens which have nothing to do with the subject to try and discredit it, if you actually listened to some of Alex's stuff he never goes on about aliens or any crap like that. Plus he always uses alot of mainstream articles as references or statements made by those "High Level Politicians, Elite,ect"

I'm also going to assume that you don't believe that most of these people are pushing for world governence and a world currency either. Hell I bet you could watch the sppech where H.W gave a speech on "The New World Order" or where recently all these high level politicians have been calling for world governance (EU chief Barossa, French President Sarkozy) or hell why don't you look up the Peace and Properity Act, details for a North American Union.

I mean you can call it conspiracy theories all you want but if you take a look at document out by enntities like the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Elite memebers of Society like David Rockefellar or Widely known people in politics like Henry Kissinger maybe you'll wake up to reality instead of being brainwashed by CNN or Fox News.

You don't seem to know very much about Bohemian Grove (the conspiracy or the actual place).  You keep thinking I do not know, which is funny;  I do not talk or wirte if I do not know.  If I am wrong, back it up with a viable primary source or a excellent secondary source and I will admit it.  I have before, I'm sure I'll have oppurtunities to do it again in the future.

This is a story about a guy who Alex Jones's video and radio show inspired to go attack the resort; he was there because he wanted to stop the child molestation and human sacrifices:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Bohemian_Grove_Attack.htm

Here's a story pointing out all the executions in photos:

http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/new_boho_grove_photos.htm

My favorite one is where they point out that the 100 year old photo, with a bunch of random people, is of a bohemian grove execution of a "black child or midget"

Notice they put mock in quotes.  It's mock sacrifice or "sacrifice" to imply an alternative meaning than the sentecne structure and popular definition would imply; the adjective mock makes the quotes unnecessary.  Since they put the quotes around the "mock", I am forced to assume they are implying that they aren't really mock sacrifices.

Here's a complete recount of most of the conspiracy theory.

http://www.4rie.com/rie%207.html

The New World Ordar comment by Bush is taken out of context, all the time; it's not just you.  It was about the formation of new relationships in a post bipolar world. 

The full H.W. quotes, actually from two totally different speeches: "Out of these troubled times, our objective, a new world order can emerge.  Today, that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we have known."

"What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea - a new world order...to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind...based on shared principles and the rule of law...The illumination of a thousand points of light...The winds of change are with us now."

In simple terms, he was saying: Now that the Cold War is over, it's no longer an "us versus them" world.  We have a new world where many small countries will have to deal with one another, but we have oppurtunity in this new risky world.

The eerie part isn't the use of the term NWO, it's that the first speech was on 9-11-1990.  Ooooh... Halloween spooky noise.

I brought up aliens because it's just as ridiculous.

You so badly want to see something, that you don't want to look things up for yourself.  You hear, "Bush was talking about a 'New World Order'" on your AM radio show and you believe it.  You reinforce your belief by reading books written and going to websites by other people who want to believe (at best) or people who want to make money off of your appetite for conspiracy (more likely).

BTW, I think it is pretty likely that a century ago they were doing real sacrifices; I'm not saying they did, but it is possible.  But that's besides the point.  The issue at hand was David Gergen's reaction,  like I said before:  It is a private place, they were not doing anything illegal, he violated their trust.  I probably wouldn't have handled it as well as David Gergen did.

Lol, I'd help you out steven, but I am totally lost.

It's okay. Nirvana has bought into the conspiracy theories of Alex Jones, but I guess he hasn't finished reading all of the theories yet. I don't think he got up to the part where Jones accuses the club of being behind the disappearance of many teens over the last few decades, many of whom were homosexual. Te kidnappings, according to Jones, were for molestation and sacrifice. Also he hasn't gotten to this part either: the camp is the place where the secret Jewish leadership (you know, the ones that really run the world) pull the strings of all the foreign leaders  and sacrifice children.   http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39519

Then he accuses me of "drinking the Kool Aid" because I drank a different flavor than he has. I drank the "empirical sour apple" and he drank the "compulsive kiwi".

And for some reason it's illegal for foreign leaders to be hanging out together at a resort.

Well obviously they can be there for no other reason than to destroy America.

I never said that they were doing "REAL" sacrifices. They use an effigee when the mock sacrifice is conducted. I already have read many articles on the bohemien grove and if you read thoroughly it is a "luciferean ritual" I menan the fact that there dressed up in what literally looks like KKK outfits screaming and hollering while some guy does a Mock sacrifice to a caananite diety who biblically is believed to be a demon, and most of these politicians call themselves Conservative Christians????? I mean where do you draw a line??

I'm not arguing that there not entitled to there own privacy because for the most part I really couldn't give a crap. But when there high level politicians as I stated, elite members of society and they invite other international dignataries to these ceremonies, thats when we have to put our foot in the door.

If your trying to deny the whole New World Order/ Global Governance issue then you will find yourself alone on that one, well, maybe not alone but with the rest of as Stephen Colbert described "the last third which is usually backwash". Of course I will provide links from even Mainstream news and articles but even with that I'm sure you'll come up with some sort of way to disagree.
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Here's a video of neocon darling Glenn Beck who suprisingly reports on the issue of The New World Order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0MOWE2Klg&feature=related

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Also let's take a quote from one of the most powerful men in the world David Rockefellar. In his book memoirs he is quoted saying "cover of book of David Rockefeller's Memoirs"For more than a century ideological
extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

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Here, lets take a listen to a speech from "The Last Great President" JFK about secret societies

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080

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Finally I'll give you a video recently of EU politicians calling for the Global Governance

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5549

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It's pretty hard to call just the miniscule amount of information I provided looking for things that aren't there.

You're not going to accomplish anything taking the argument further, steven, just let it be.

Yeah, I think your right Akuma... he really doesn't understand. But you know I can't help it.

@ Nirvana:

A primary source is the actual evidence. My links were primary sources from the POV that they were the one's who actually make up these stories.

A good secondary source is a scholarly journal, cited article, or cited book. A mass media news story is not a good secondary source.

Stephen Colbert is a comedian. He makes jokes.

New world order can have different meanings to different people. To Woodrow Wilson it was a League of Nations, to Adolf Hitler it was a fascist controlled Europe, Asia, and Africa, to Truman and Stalin it was a bipolar political environment, to Bush 42 it was the multifaceted nature of the post Cold War era, to Bush 43 it is a confused mess. New World Order is not capitalized. It's new world order. It refers to the way in which the major powers of the world interact with one another. New World Order (capitalized) was a group of wrestlers in the WCW, formerly a Turner company (Ted Turner is probably a member of the Bohemian Grove).

Yes, the G7, the WTO, the UN, the IMF, and the various pacts between sovereign nations can be considered international governance. Theory (as in the collection of knowledge, not a hypothesis) of international governance as it is today is going to be way more complex than a few hundred words in a video game forum could do it justice.

Actually it is you who obviously is oblivious to the world around you because most people with common sense know (minus the ones follow the mainstream news like the bible) That govermnets and politicians are trying to usher in a World Governence over Economies, Currencies,ect. I provided you with facts, its as simple as that, things quoted from Elite (it was cited in Rockefellars own book), video footage of Politicians calling for World governance and still your make attempt to make an obsolete argument against it.

Non of it is theory, it's called using your brain. Reading what these people are saying and taking it for what it is. Not making a hundred different excuses on how they meant this or that when it's clear by the actions and policies that they are doing what is said. When a group like the Club Of Rome puts out a "Roadmap To Ten Regions" and you see some of there plans already unfolding well.....here's a link for that mind you they use biblical references(Which is the main reason I beleive most of this stuff because it has been prophecised in scripture)

http://theisraelreport.com/commentary2006_globalrealignment.html

By the way I will reply most likely to whatever you post by later tonight as I work from 5:00-12:00.