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tuoyo said:
theprof00 said:
@bengax2

Yeah, I've gotten it already! I've known this stuff for a while, but I still whole heartedly believe that sony will make another high-tech system.

We are at the point where both sony and ms will want to make a budget system like N did. However, whoever does that leaves the HC market up for grabs.
If both of them do it, then I wouldn't be surprised if N has two models being worked on, one a budget model like the current wii, and one "hi-tech wii" which would take over the HC markets if ms and sony go mainstream(lower price). (and yes mainstream=lower price)

Nintendo has a lot of options right now, and can do a lot of things.
I have always been a big fan of nintendo even though a lot of you think I'm not from my wii=toy threads.
I am just not impressed with their current business model and games lineup, a man can take only so much cartoon!
Gamecube I adored, and i thought it was an amazing systems if only for it's portability, which as you can see was very much a precursor to the wii.
I think I will buy a wii2 when it comes out, because, hopefully, the wii2 will:
have HC support, portable, hi-tech(flash memory maybe?), innovative, cheaper, better dev support, comparable to the other systems.

These reasons I just listed are exactly why sony and ms are going to have big boxes again.
I expect a ps4 looking much like ps3 in terms of hardware, but at around 300-400$, and an xbox720 looking a lot like 360 while following their sega-genesis upgradable business model to reduce costs.

I don't see Nintendo going down that path even though it seems like a good idea.  First, they are unlikely to sink much R&D cost into something that is unlikely to be released (I assume you mean they develop two completely different consoles with only one being released depending on the circumstances at the time).  Secondly, Nintendo seems quite adverse to any technology that isn't theirs (e.g. not even puting 5.1 audio in Wii even though it probably won't cost more than a dollar more) and thirdly Nintendo does not have the support of other money making divisions so it has to have a business structure where it releases its consoles at a profit and at an affordable price.

 

If you look at all consoles Nintendo has produced over the years, they have never really been against using technology they didn't own or using powerful hardware, Nintendo tends to be against selling hardware at a (large) loss or driving up the price of a console to the consumer. The two consoles (released since the NES) that stand out in people's mind as being low performance are the Nintendo DS and the Wii ...

The Nintendo DS really isn't that underpowered of a system when you take into consideration that the Nintendo DS launched at $100 less than the PSP, the PSP was rumored to be sold at a very large loss for Sony, and the Nintendo DS has a much longer battery life than the PSP. Certainly the PSP is far more powerful, but I don't think you could have produced a system which was dramatically more powerful than the DS while selling at $150 (regardless of losses) while keeping battery life in a similar range to the Nintendo DS.

Now, we will (probably) never know what hardware configurations were tried with the Wii and why they really settled on the Wii's specifications but I think there were (probably) multiple considerations. I suspect that there was a focus on keeping development costs low enough that Nintendo could survive on a very small userbase and to attract third party development, and I also suspect that Nintendo wanted to keep manufacturing costs very low incase the system ended up being a flop on the level of the virtual boy. I could be wrong but I imagine that if Nintendo (really) started to increase the processing power much beyond the level of the Wii they would start to fall into a (much more) awkward position where the system still couldn't handle most HD games and development costs were no where near as low as Wii development costs. The reason the Wii doesn't support 5.1 digital audio (it does support 5.1 through pro-logic 2) is because Nintendo settled on hardware which was an advanced version of the Gamecube hardware, and that meant that the Wii uses a similar audio processor as the Musx processor that was designed by Factor 5 for the Gamecube.

 



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nitendo needs to start bring great DS devloper sover to the wii. and with trace memory, takt of magic and renegade kids next project i think they are doing that



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Jo21 said:
BengaBenga said:
Jo21 said:
no.

it will be new IPs, that are too risky to put on HD consoles, we may see a few hidden gems along the way

wii doesn't have the highest market share, PC+ps360 is bigger, graphically great and and more cost effective.


 

If you don't feel like reading the OP, why respond? It was about next gen.

And you're wrong, devs ARE putting major franchises on Wii. Monster Hunter,  Tales, Tenchu as exclusives (sure not the biggest ones, but we'll see some of those in the near future) and Guitar Hero, Call of Duty as multiplat with a good Wii version.
Add to that that most of the Japanese niche games will be on Wii and you have a very good library.

 

monster hunter its huge in japan, but tales and tenchu are not big.

are not as big as Resident evil 5, FF13, Versus, GTA4, DMC4, Star Ocean 4 etc.

 

guitar hero always been multiplatform, ps2 even gets its version, hell even the DS. same goes for call of duty.

Yeah so? You stated that Wii would get only new IP on Wii, which is clearly not true. I never said Wii would get the biggest games, but Tales and Monster Hunter are major franchises, period.

The next Wii will be technically very advanced. Nintendo always had very competitive consoles. they know they have the casual market locked. It will take a lot of years for Sony/MS to get to that level. But Nintendo can easily lock in more hardcore. Next gen Japanese support is guaranteed from the start[/]. That's important. If the WiiHD is comparable in power to the next PS/Xbox every multiplat title will also come to the new Wii. Nintendo also wants the hardcore gamers.

And, again, at this moment Nintendo is the only one in the position to spend loads of money on R&D.

 



If you read the paragraph under the Wii top ten on this site, they speculate that the Wii could get an explosion of 3rd party support just like how the DS did. Only time will tell...




 

Senlis said:
If you read the paragraph under the Wii top ten on this site, they speculate that the Wii could get an explosion of 3rd party support just like how the DS did. Only time will tell...

 

That's no speculation, it's happening in broad daylight.

Already announced:

Conduit, MadWorld, Arc Rise Fantasia, Muramasa Demon Blade, Monster Hunter 3, Fragile, Deadly Creatures, House of the Dead: Overkill, Tenchu 4, Cursed Mountain, etc.

I'm not saying these are the biggest games around (although RPG gamers will be very excited) but no-one can deny that this is a very promising list.



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Only if there's no Playstation on the market.



My most anticipated games:  Whatever Hideo Kojima is going to do next, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Gran Turismo 5, Alan Wake, Wii Sports Resort.  Cave Story Wiiware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqqLMgbtrB8

@ JGarret "It´d truly be a "new SNES""

I don't think there will ever be another system with the success of the NES or SNES.  I think there is just too much competition nowadays for one system to be that big anymore.  Plus, games being released back then were often re-defining gaming.  I don't think there is much anymore that can have the same "wow factor" as games back then did.

I feel I am not expressing my thoughts very well in this post.




 

Soriku said:

Next year you'll see a crapload of more Japanese titles at least. Next gen there'll be huge support from the get-go. The successor to the previous console that won the last gen ALWAYS got the most third party support unless you screwed up like Nintendo did with the N64 and Sony did with the PS3.

Oh don't start this.

We've already made enough fun at the Sony fans for the whole "PS3 domination begins in..." so let's not start that stuff ourselves.



No, because many publishers are afraid of competing with Nintendo's own products. They are too good a software developer to be very enticing to third parties. Releasing a competing game in the same window is commercial suicide, and they all know it.



The next Wii would need to be more similar in spec to the next gen consoles for that to happen.
The main issue isn't that developers don't like the Wii, it's the significant spec difference between the Wii and the HD consoles that usually disadvantage Wii titles for multiplatform titles...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !