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trestres on 12 October 2008

@Riachu: Who said that? That's completely new to me. Of course that's not true, it depends on the ambition or stupidity of the dev. For example Too Human took nearly 12 years and it's not an RPG.



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montrealsoon on 12 October 2008
starcraft said:
Does anyone else get the impression that this game is simply becoming PS3 fans new Stalwart after Lair and Haze bombed, DMC and Tekken switched sides, Killzone got bumped to the deadzone and FFXIII switched over?

 

Not really.

But your question makes you sound like an anti-fanboy....

 

 

 



Riachu on 12 October 2008
trestres said:
@Riachu: Who said that? That's completely new to me. Of course that's not true, it depends on the ambition or stupidity of the dev. For example Too Human took nearly 12 years and it's not an RPG.

Too Human was offically label as an action-RPG so therefore, it is an RPG.

 

RPGs often take the longest to make and that's not suprise as they are among the most complex genres is gaming.  It also depends of the graphical quality of the game the developer is aiming for.  If they only want Disgaea level graphics, 1 year would be enough.  However, if you want to make an RPG that pushes the system's power, then that could take 3 years or so.

 



 

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mibuokami on 12 October 2008
Khuutra said:
Level 5 will dethrone Square when they give me a game better than Final Fantasy XII.

I'm waiting.

 

 XII?? Surely you jest, you would have been better served with X, IX, XIII or XII. XII was broken. 




cwbys21 on 12 October 2008
darthdevidem01 said:

Can Level 5 De-throne Square Enix?

 


The answer is probably not in terms of the numbers of games, the answer is quite simple when you look at the two companies’ size and structure. Level 5 has a total employee of 150 developers as of Oct. 2007, the team maybe bigger now as they ramp up their production on White Knight Chronicles. But it is not as big as Square Enix’s 3,275 employees.


But does quantity = quality? In the gaming world, the answer is a no. Team Ico, Polyphony Digital, and even Kojima Productions hovers around 150-250 employees depending on the time frame in their development, and they have produced some of the truly genre defining games up-to-date. Media Molecule with only 25 people is already getting so much attention from LittleBigPlanet.

Level 5 has been making RPGs for the past 10 years, if anyone in Japan knows how to make a good RPG it would be Level 5, as a matter of fact, they were hand picked by the former Enix to produce Dragon Quest.

Level 5’s chance to become the single most renown RPG maker, the one that will replace Square Enix as the prime RPG maker this decade lies in the upcoming White Knight Chronicles (Shirokishi Monogatari - Inishie no Kodou). This will be the first massive, grand production, for the PlayStation 3. Many people do not realize, but this is what Final Fantasy 7 was to the Playstation 1. For both systems it is the first grand production RPG to hit Japan, and hopefully for Sony it will have as big of an impact as FF7 in terms of sales numbers. Some people would argue that it was not a proven franchise, but most Japanese people have also gotten tire of the FF series since the release of 11 and 12 and X2 (judging by the sales numbers). SE’s effort to put out a quality Final Fantasy game really ended with Final Fantasy 10, with 12 being only subpar and downright boring to gamers who mastered the art of the “macro” system early. That’s right! I was able to get max level by leaving my PS2 on for 24 hrs with the party doing auto-battle with auto-cure.



If WKC is successful commercially, I will have no doubt Sony will try to acquire Level 5 or make them a 2nd party developer like Insomniac. After acquiring Evolution and BigBig Studio last year, it is about time Sony flexes some of their financial muscle in their hometown.
The general prediction is for Sony to buy Media Molecule and Level 5 next. In this generation of gaming, third party exclusive is almost non-existing, first party is now more important than ever!


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Another interesting thing was if you LISTEN to the 1up Podcats

LEVEL 5's booth was MUCH LARGER than Konami's or Capcom's....in the podcast they said the believe Level 5 is the NEXT BIG THING in Japan.....n WKC will help them to get it

http://www.n4g.com/events_tgs2008/News-214104.aspx

The part there that I bolded tells me that this guy is being a dumbass.  If he was on a forum he would be trolling.  x-2 and 12 each sold 5 million and we don't know how much 11 sold because companies don't like to release mmo numbers but we do know that it is old, and in SE last financial report they said they still have 600,000 subscribers.  and leaving your ps2 on for 24 hours and getting to level 99?  i'm calling bs on that part.  you recover magic, but not that fast and auto attack doesn't have that wide of a range.  add to that you don't have to use the macro system if it bores you means this guy is being an ass.  he is probably wanting to score points with the arrogant forum goers who act like they have played every game ever made and that SE cant make a game since they left Nintendo.

ps, sorry if someone else realized this before, I didn't want to read through 8 pages.

 

edit

I hate this S-E = crap since FF10 mentality
I agree darth, I hate even more those that say things like SE=crap since FF6 and SE=crap since the merger.



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starcraft on 12 October 2008
CGI-Quality said:
starcraft said:
Does anyone else get the impression that this game is simply becoming PS3 fans new Stalwart after Lair and Haze bombed, DMC and Tekken switched sides, Killzone got bumped to the deadzone and FFXIII switched over?

 How did DMC, Tekken or Final Fantasy switch over when they are ALL still on PS3? Are you implying that they would have been no more beneficial to the PS3 if they had been exclusive as originally intended? Sure they went multi but does Xbox have a stronger 1st party exclusive line-up than Sony or Nintendo? uuummm no. Instead the Xbox has the strongest exclusive third party report this generation. How is Final Fantasy switching over when Versus XIII is STILL PS3 exclusive. It represents as switch from exclusivity to multiplatform. Does anyone else get the impression that ONE PS3 exclusive JRPG could outsell ALL of the 360's JRPG put together You believe Versus will outsell all Xbox 360 JRPG's including the Xbox 360 iteration of FFXIII? (Final Fantasy XIII PS3 exclusive in Japan or even Versus XIII Worldwide) Sony could've put Killzone 2 out this year but didn't want too many shooters on the market at once - or did you even do research before you trolled?And why do you think it was Killzone 2 that got bumped to the console deadzone?

 

 



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Khuutra on 12 October 2008
mibuokami said:
Khuutra said:
Level 5 will dethrone Square when they give me a game better than Final Fantasy XII.

I'm waiting.

 

 XII?? Surely you jest, you would have been better served with X, IX, XIII or XII. XII was broken. 

 

X's had the worst writing in the entire mainline series, IX was awesome, granted, XIII isn't even out yet what is wrong with you, and I don't know what you're trying to suggest that I would be better served with XII as compared to XII.

Final Fantasy XII was not broken. It was a masterpiece, worked exactly like it was supposed to, and was the pinnacle of the entire series, if not the genre.



mibuokami on 12 October 2008
Khuutra said:
mibuokami said:
Khuutra said:
Level 5 will dethrone Square when they give me a game better than Final Fantasy XII.

I'm waiting.

 

 XII?? Surely you jest, you would have been better served with X, IX, XIII or XII. XII was broken. 

 

X's had the worst writing in the entire mainline series, IX was awesome, granted, XIII isn't even out yet what is wrong with you, and I don't know what you're trying to suggest that I would be better served with XII as compared to XII.

Final Fantasy XII was not broken. It was a masterpiece, worked exactly like it was supposed to, and was the pinnacle of the entire series, if not the genre.

Replace XII XIII with VII and VIII respectively.

Yes I am disleptic,  -_- sorry.

edit: When you can exploit a game's design to the point where you can auto level by leaving you PS on overnight, then the game is broken. This isn't a dig at taste or opinion, this is simply a glaring obvious oversight by the designer of the game.




Riachu on 12 October 2008
Khuutra said:
mibuokami said:
Khuutra said:
Level 5 will dethrone Square when they give me a game better than Final Fantasy XII.

I'm waiting.

 

XII?? Surely you jest, you would have been better served with X, IX, XIII or XII. XII was broken.

 

X's had the worst writing in the entire mainline series, IX was awesome, granted, XIII isn't even out yet what is wrong with you, and I don't know what you're trying to suggest that I would be better served with XII as compared to XII.

Final Fantasy XII was not broken. It was a masterpiece, worked exactly like it was supposed to, and was the pinnacle of the entire series, if not the genre.

Have you played the SNES version of FFIV or FFVII?  Those have terrible writing, though only because their English localizations were terrible.  When you mean by writing, do you mean how good the dialouge is or the question of the game having plot holes?  Just asking this because I don't know the difference between good and bad writing.  FFX's writing was just fine for a game localized from Japanese.

 



 

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Khuutra on 12 October 2008
mibuokami said:
Khuutra said:
mibuokami said:
Khuutra said:
Level 5 will dethrone Square when they give me a game better than Final Fantasy XII.

I'm waiting.

 

 XII?? Surely you jest, you would have been better served with X, IX, XIII or XII. XII was broken. 

 

X's had the worst writing in the entire mainline series, IX was awesome, granted, XIII isn't even out yet what is wrong with you, and I don't know what you're trying to suggest that I would be better served with XII as compared to XII.

Final Fantasy XII was not broken. It was a masterpiece, worked exactly like it was supposed to, and was the pinnacle of the entire series, if not the genre.

Replace XII XIII with VII and VIII respectively.

Yes I am disleptic,  -_- sorry.

 

Ohhhhhhhhh. My apologies, I had no idea. Yes, VII and VIII were also very enjoyable, though I hope you understand that I still disagree concerning XII.

@Riachu: I am referring to characterization, plot, pacing, quality of the narrative itself, and, yes, also how well-translated the game is. Woolsey's translations were not awesome, but they didn't subtract from games that had great characters and stories. X did not have that.