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Falcon095 said:
cwbys21 said:
Falcon095 said:
naraku2099 said:
Falcon095 said:
bobobologna said:
shams said:

Remember, that MS never really wanted HD-DVD to win. If they did, even 360 would have had one in it.

All they wanted, was to "delay" BluRays victory over HD-DVD - to make it even harder for it to become adopted as a standard.

Its just like this generation - its not about winning, its about neutralising Sony. They have done a pretty good job to date :P

 


So all those people who bought the HD-DVD add-on for the XBox360 were just part of Microsoft's plan to delay Bluray adoption?  And you guys LIKE Microsoft?

Well.. all those people who bought a PS3 were just part of Sony's plan to make Blu-Ray succesfull, so what's the point?

Lies. I bought a PS3 for games. Blu-Ray was just an (excellent) bonus.

 

So? I didn't say that people bought a PS3 just because of Blu-Ray, i said that everyone that bought a PS3 (it doesn't matter if it was because of games or movies) were just part of Sony's plan to make Blu-Ray succesful.

um, are you saying that Sony wanting blu ray to be successful is the same as Microsoft pushing hd dvd just so blu ray wouldn't be successful, or successful quickly?

I'm saying that both were plan from the companies, bobobologna suggested that people should hate MS because they used the HD-DVD to delay the Blu-Ray adoption, so i if that the case people should hate Sony because they used the PS3 to make faster the Blu-Ray adoption.

The difference here, assuming the statement is correct, is that Sony is trying to encourage Blu-Ray sales for their own benefits while Microsoft tried to encourage HD-DVD sales to sabotage Blu-Ray sales. That sounds like a douchebag move.

 



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TheTruthHurts! said:
I think he is right in one subject area and that is "The days of (one) physical format being the standard I think are gone". Multiple formats give people options, and I personally like options.

Blu-Ray is awesome and I plan on getting a stand-alone player when the price drops down to the $150-$200 range.

I enjoy HD movie downloads on my 360, and having Net-Flix options.

I enjoy DVD for its cost, abundance, and with up-scaling options, ect.

Though I think a high rate of Blu-Ray adoption will take 3-4 more years, it has proven to be a very good option for future formats.....only time will tell.

Totally with you on that.  Between XBLM and OnDemand HD Pay per View, I am all set for HD content.  I haven't been to a Blockbuster in ages, at least not to rent a movie.  I don't care to own copies of the movies I watch, so I really don't care if I'm watching them on a disc, a hard drive, or streaming them.  It makes no difference to me.  As long as it's HD, I don't care about the physical media. 

The invention of the MP3 format has instilled that attitude in people.  Hell, the last three "albums" I've bought have been from Amazon.com's DRM free store, and I used to be the kind of person who always bought the CD itself.  Now that I can carry all my music with me wherever I go, who needs the discs?  As long as I remember to back things up in multiple places, I don't care about having the actual CD anymore. 

People are starting to realize that we don't need plastic disc media anymore.  All you really need is a good internet connection and/or digital cable service and you're all set.  Plus, going digital means you're going green as well.

 




makingmusic476 said:
flagship said:
It's rather funny how people are immediately defending BluRay with how different it is to UMD and completely forgetting about BetaMax.... Sony's proprietary superior formats have a very, very, very bad track record.

 

Yeah, like the CD...

 

You mean the CD that was invented by Phillips Magnavox?




Says the party who backed HD-DVD, how ironic...



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Domicinator said:
makingmusic476 said:
flagship said:
It's rather funny how people are immediately defending BluRay with how different it is to UMD and completely forgetting about BetaMax.... Sony's proprietary superior formats have a very, very, very bad track record.

 

Yeah, like the CD...

 

You mean the CD that was invented by Phillips Magnavox?

 

Sure we Dutch would not mind if we could claim full credit for Philips, a Dutch company, with regard to the R&D of the Compact Disc. However that's not really the case. Philips gets full credit with regard to the development of the Compact Cassette, but after Sony's distant long forgotten (ahem...) failed Betamax attempt and Philips' later failed attempt to go against VHS with Video 2000, the companies combined forces to ensure success for the release of the Compact Disc.

Although Sony plays a leading role in the R&D of the Blu-Ray format, a lot of different companies including Philips are involved. Royal Philips Electronics has various Blu-Ray related patents as well.



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konnichiwa said:
Blu ray the next UMD? I thought HD DVD was the next UMD.

Actually HD-DVD was the LAST UMD. 



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
konnichiwa said:
Blu ray the next UMD? I thought HD DVD was the next UMD.

Actually HD-DVD was the LAST UMD. 

UMD is far more successful than HD DVD, which was solely a money pit for Toshiba. UMD will be supported (mainly as a gaming format) for much longer than HD DVD was.

The success of the DVD format was ensured by Sony and Philips through joining forces to prevent a format war. Toshiba and Microsoft bullied other companies (The DVD consortium was intended to be democratic, but Toshiba with its leadership role prevented a positive outcome and changed the voting rules for adopting a new standard), wanting others to adopt a technically subpar quality standard using far less open technology.

This resulted into the bulk of manufacturers and content publishers to back the Blu-Ray format.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

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DOATS1 said:
you guys have got to realise that microsoft have a direction, and they need to follow it, which is digital distribution, and they have to play down anything competing with it, which is blu-ray. otherwise, what's the point?

only thing is, i think that sony have taken digital distribution much more seriously than microsoft. they offer full current, and past gen games to download. the capacity in each and every console to do so, they also offer movies and tv shows.

 

This is so reasonable I love it!  Spot on too IMHO.  MS looks like its going to stick to digital, Sony looks like its going to go for both digital and physical.  MS downplay physical as per marketing handbook 101.  The end.



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KylieDog said:
Can't be bothered reading thread, so this may have been brought up...


Digital will never be the future. Too many people require a physical purchase, something they can look at, something they can touch, something they can wrap up and put under the christmas tree, and so on.

There will always be a physical format.

 

 

I say the same. I'm happy with physical things.



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naraku2099 said:
Falcon095 said:
cwbys21 said:
Falcon095 said:
naraku2099 said:
Falcon095 said:
bobobologna said:
shams said:

Remember, that MS never really wanted HD-DVD to win. If they did, even 360 would have had one in it.

All they wanted, was to "delay" BluRays victory over HD-DVD - to make it even harder for it to become adopted as a standard.

Its just like this generation - its not about winning, its about neutralising Sony. They have done a pretty good job to date :P

 


So all those people who bought the HD-DVD add-on for the XBox360 were just part of Microsoft's plan to delay Bluray adoption?  And you guys LIKE Microsoft?

Well.. all those people who bought a PS3 were just part of Sony's plan to make Blu-Ray succesfull, so what's the point?

Lies. I bought a PS3 for games. Blu-Ray was just an (excellent) bonus.

 

So? I didn't say that people bought a PS3 just because of Blu-Ray, i said that everyone that bought a PS3 (it doesn't matter if it was because of games or movies) were just part of Sony's plan to make Blu-Ray succesful.

um, are you saying that Sony wanting blu ray to be successful is the same as Microsoft pushing hd dvd just so blu ray wouldn't be successful, or successful quickly?

I'm saying that both were plan from the companies, bobobologna suggested that people should hate MS because they used the HD-DVD to delay the Blu-Ray adoption, so i if that the case people should hate Sony because they used the PS3 to make faster the Blu-Ray adoption.

The difference here, assuming the statement is correct, is that Sony is trying to encourage Blu-Ray sales for their own benefits while Microsoft tried to encourage HD-DVD sales to sabotage Blu-Ray sales. That sounds like a douchebag move.

 

That ain't matter, both companies had a plan and used their customers to make that plan work. MS had a good system with good games, acceptable price (don't remember the price, tough)  and didn't force anyone to pay 100-150$ to watch HD movies, on the other hand Sony had a good system with almost no good games and forced you to pay 500-600$ to watch HD movies and play videogames. So in that point of view who's worst, the one that offers something that justify the price (mainly because it's cheaper) and gives you options or the one that offers something tha doesn't justify the price and don't give you options?



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