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Yeah, it was so far. Hopefully something exciting trickles in.



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Anyone catch Burkie's interview? I love him. He's so straightforward. I've never heard a GM criticize the fans the way he did, but I felt it was an accurate description of some Toronto fans, especially with the way Sundin was treated last season, and Kaberle/Kubina were being treated, at times, this season.



Sharks pick up Travis Moen (LW) & Kent Huskins (D) from the Ducks. Sharks gave up - Nick Bonino, Timo Pielmeier, and a conditional pick.



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TSN Quote - "The sell-off in Phoenix finished off with a two more deals. The Coyotes sent winger Daniel Carcillo to Philadelphia for forward Scottie Upshall and a second-round pick and shipped goaltender Mikael Tellqvist to the Buffalo Sabres for a fourth-rounder."



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Furthermore from TSN - "The Toronto Maple Leafs, who were expected to jettison as many players as possible in an effort to acquire draft picks, made three moves. With just minutes remaining until the deadline, the club sent forward Dominic Moore to Buffalo for a second-round selection and Nik Antropov to the Rangers for a second-rounder and a conditional pick. The club then acquired injured goaltender Olaf Kolzig, defencemen Jamie Heward and Andy Rogers and a fourth-round draft pick from Tampa Bay for blueline prospect Richard Petiot."

 

 

and The Philadelphia Flyers have acquired defenceman Kyle McLaren from the San Jose Sharks for a sixth-round pick.



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Pretty calm trading deadline this year, compared to years past. J-Bo's nonmove was really the only thing that surprised me.

Big winner (short term) I think was Calgary. They picked up a very serviceable top 4 D-man in Leopold, someone who they have experience with. And they pick up the biggest name that was traded today, Jokinen. Both moves were probably done due to injuries to Lankgow, and the fact that Calgary's D is very beaten up, but this makes their team quite formidable I think. SJ and Detroit now have some serious competition.

Big winner (long term) I think was Phoenix. They turned Jokinen, Carcillo and Morris into Kalinin, Dawes, Prucha, Lombardi, Prust, Upshall, 1st rounder and 2nd rounder. Pretty good lot of young players they picked up for 2, soon-to-be, UFA's.

Were there any losers? Not really in my mind. Maybe Minnesota, a tiny loser, for not being able to get rid of Gaborik, but since he's injured, the offers probably weren't very good, if there were any at all. His value decreased heavily from the beginning of the year. Do you think he wishes he took the $7M/year offer from Minni now........because I can't see any sane GM giving him anything close to that.....unless it's due to performance bonuses.



Yahoo has a pretty good recap on who they thought were winners & losers at the deadline -

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AjlhU5HhvLbeXyLtdLEoJ5p7vLYF?slug=rm-nhltrades030409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Re-posted Below -

"Wednesday’s NHL trade deadline produced 22 deals and 47 players changed teams, but the day lacked the wow factor. All that build-up, all the excitement, all those rumors and poof!

Chris Pronger, Jay Bouwmeester, Nikolai Khabibulin, Keith Tkachuk, Ryan Smyth, Marian Gaborik, Martin St. Louis, Milan Hejduk and Ilya Kovalchuk did not get traded even though all were rumored to be as good as gone at some point over the last few days, weeks and months.

The Red Wings, Capitals, Canadiens, Wild, Canucks and Predators, in fact, did nothing at all.

The marquee name included in the closest deal that could be classified as a blockbuster – Olli Jokinen going from Phoenix to Calgary – is the player who holds the unique distinction of having played more regular-season games than anyone in the history of the game (780) without appearing in a playoff game.

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So, is this a bad thing? The complaint not long ago was players moved too frequently, and fans only rooted for the logo on the sweater. Not to share Brian Burke’s grandstand, but trades would be easier, and maybe more frequent, if teams had the ability to divvy salary between the two parties. In the previous collective-bargaining agreement one team could take back salary to help facilitate a deal. And now with the salary-cap system, every dollar counts.

What some general managers may have learned is the sun will rise tomorrow if they don’t strike a deal today. Mistakes can be made at the trade deadline, big mistakes. The kind of mistakes that could eventually cost a GM his job. Well, everyone not named Don Waddell.

With that in mind let’s examine Wednesday’s winners and losers.


The Calgary Flames


Jokinen

The trade everyone likes is the Flames’ acquisition of Jokinen in exchange for speedy, but inconsistent winger Matthew Lombardi and young forward Brandon Prust (draft picks went each way, too). The deal gives Calgary the potential to match up against the bigger playoff centers in the conference (Joe Thornton, Ryan Getzlaf, Mike Ribeiro, Mats Sundin, Henrik Zetterberg), and it gives the Flames much needed help at center ice.

But the reason I like what GM Darryl Sutter did on Wednesday was the package of Jokinen from Phoenix along with acquiring veteran defenseman Jordan Leopold from Colorado. Leopold played with the Flames before and he was a perfect fit with Robyn Regehr, who hasn’t found the right partner since Leopold’s departure.

These are two players who should fit in pretty easily. Jokinen is a Finn as is the team’s top goalie Miikka Kiprusoff. And he played for coach Mike Keenan in Florida. The two had a good relationship there. Leopold is obviously familiar with the Flames, so that should work again, too.

There was a gap between the Detroit-San Jose pairing and Calgary, but that difference may have been closed significantly on Wednesday.

San Jose Sharks and Detroit Red Wings

Speaking of the top two teams in the West – the Red Wings and the Sharks – both are winners in my book. And yes, I realize Detroit did nothing at all. The Wings didn’t have to. They made a subtle addition at the last deadline – Brad Stuart – and they made a huge signing in the offseason with Marian Hossa. They’re already a better team than the one that won the Cup last year.

The Sharks are a little backward from most. They have all the top-end talent you need, it’s just the supporting cast that needs a tweak. And the only reason for that is because so many third- and fourth-liners are banged up (Torrey Mitchell, Mike Grier, Jeremy Roenick and Marcel Goc mainly). Adding Travis Moen adds grit, experience and a recent Stanley Cup to the third line. Kent Huskins gives the Sharks nine defensemen they can trust during a two-month run.

Boston Bruins

Boston did a nice job, too, adding pieces that should complement its group. Veteran forward Mark Recchi brings playoff savvy and still has plenty of skills, but he’s not being asked to lead the way. Defenseman Steve Montador is an excellent addition because of his versatility, toughness and unselfish play.

Anaheim Ducks

Anaheim was in a tough spot. The Ducks had 11 unrestricted free agents, yet they are in the playoff chase. New GM Bob Murray did a tremendous job of getting value for the vets he knew he wasn’t going to re-sign, and he started to reshape the defense in preparation for losing Chris Pronger and maybe Scott Niedermayer in the offseason. Assuming the team signs injured Francois Beauchemin, adding Ryan Whitney and James Wisniewski gives the Ducks three bigger defensemen.

Petteri Nokelainen could fill the role previously held by Sammy Palhsson and Anaheim received prospects and picks from San Jose for Moen and Huskins.

Florida Panthers


Bouwmeester

The Panthers did the right thing: they held on to potential unrestricted free agent Jay Bouwmeester. The team is playing too well with him, and they owe it to their fans to keep the group together to take a shot at the playoffs. And, you know, if Bouwmeester has a little success with the team in the postseason he might sink roots there.

New York Rangers

Lastly, the New York Rangers continued to reshape their room and product on the ice with the addition of the big forward they have lacked – Nik Antropov – and a defenseman who can play big minutes and probably needed a change of scenery – Derek Morris.


Washington Capitals

The Habs didn’t do anything to bolster their shaky goaltending.
(Richard Wolowicz/Getty Images)

The Capitals are an exciting team with holes – not enough bulk, grit and playoff experience on defense and very questionable in goal. And they did absolutely nothing on Wednesday.

Look around. New Jersey, Boston, the Rangers and Pittsburgh all got better by varying degrees Wednesday. The Caps stayed the same. Players notice those sorts of things.

Montreal Canadiens, Vancouver Canucks and Minnesota Wild

Speaking of doing nothing, we present the Canadiens, Canucks and Wild. This would be the second straight trade deadline where Habs GM Bob Gainey has come up short. Montreal’s goaltending is no more ready to win a Cup this year than it was last spring.

The Wild and Canucks are the same, maybe good enough to sneak into the playoffs, but in no way, shape or form are they ready to compete with the bigger teams in the West. Don’t forget, Edmonton got better, too, and Calgary is a lock. Four teams are not going to make the playoffs from the Northwest division. So someone from that group will be out.

Los Angeles Kings and Atlanta Thrashers

Los Angeles and Atlanta are not playoff teams, but both could have done more in rebuilding efforts. The Thrashers probably got even worse in losing Erik Christensen and Niclas Havelid. The Kings should have dealt goalie Eric Ersberg because they’re going to have a logjam in goal soon. Tom Preissing slipped through waivers and was too expensive for anyone’s liking. That was a mistake contract.

Nashville Predators

Nashville has to take a little grief. The Predators continue to hang around the final playoff spot with what appears an inferior roster.

So you once again have to give kudos to management, but at the same time a little more help would have been welcomed."



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I'm confused at some of their reasoning behind selecting their winners and losers.

Detroit Red Wings - This article states is dissecting the moves made yesterday. The Wings did not make any moves yesterday, and did not improve thus there is no way that their team can be classified a "winner". Were they off-season winners, sure. They landed arguably the best UFA out there in Hossa. Does it have anything to do with the trade deadline.......no. Also, the Red Wings inconsistent goaltending continues to be the only chink in the armor of an otherwise fantastic team, something that was not addressed yesterday.

Florida Panthers - Classified as "winner" when their biggest move was.....not trading J-Bo. How is that a "winning" move, especially when the teams around them improved Rangers, Flyers, Rangers and Pens (which was the same reasoning that they used to declare the Caps as "losers")?

They considered NJ as a team that improved yesterday (although they made their play for Havelid a few days before, but whatever), and consider Montreal as a "loser" when they picked up Schneider, who has been fantastic on the PP for them. The author seems to have very different takes on almost the exact same situation - the pickup of a veteran D.

Using the same logic used for Detroit, and Florida, the Canucks should be winners yesterday for picking up Mats Sundin in December, and not trading impending UFA Mattias Ohlund (doesn't make sense to me, but it's the author's logic). Do I think the Canucks were winners.......of course not. But they made their "deadline-deal" in December.

I don't agree with them considering LA a loser for not trading Ersberg, and citing a goalie logjam as the reason. Look at Price in Montreal, everyone thought that he was going to be fantastic....now he's warming the bench while Halak is leading Montreal. Whose to say that exact same situation will not happen to Jonathon Quick next year?



izaaz101 said:
I'm confused at some of their reasoning behind selecting their winners and losers.

Detroit Red Wings - This article states is dissecting the moves made yesterday. The Wings did not make any moves yesterday, and did not improve thus there is no way that their team can be classified a "winner". Were they off-season winners, sure. They landed arguably the best UFA out there in Hossa. Does it have anything to do with the trade deadline.......no. Also, the Red Wings inconsistent goaltending continues to be the only chink in the armor of an otherwise fantastic team, something that was not addressed yesterday.

 

 I will clarify this for your benefit. The Red Wings are so great that they can win without doing anything. Bam! that just happened.



Pfft.......the 8-0 nothing hammering at the hands of the lowly Nashville Predators says otherwise......