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HappySqurriel on 23 February 2007

washimul said: kirby007 said: but what can they do with all this power? amazing physics, amazing GI, amazing TRE, amazing HDR , amazing AI......................................................these are what you could do with that power. Use CELL as a raycaster and raytracer...........as a GPU in terms of SPU allocation........................thats what you could do. i paid 600$ and i want to be delighted not just satisfied>>>>>>>>:)
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HappySqurriel on 23 February 2007

washimul said: [FFT, TRE, CRYPTOGRAPHY STENCIL ,LINEAR MULTIPLICATIONS, RAYCASTING , RAYTRACING are heavy computational tasks..................................If cell could excel there then how would it perform in low computational tasks like AI, GI, HDR.
They're heavy computational tasks but a processor being able to perform well in one task (fast fourier transform) doesn't mean that it will do well in another (AI). There have been DSPs that can do image enhancement at a far greater level than your top of the line CPUs can today; somewhere in the range of 1,000 times the performance of a similar CPU running at a similar clock rate. In most of these cases the DSP do not have the basic performance to handle 10 year old games.



washimul on 23 February 2007

HappySqurriel said: washimul said: [FFT, TRE, CRYPTOGRAPHY STENCIL ,LINEAR MULTIPLICATIONS, RAYCASTING , RAYTRACING are heavy computational tasks..................................If cell could excel there then how would it perform in low computational tasks like AI, GI, HDR. They're heavy computational tasks but a processor being able to perform well in one task (fast fourier transform) doesn't mean that it will do well in another (AI). There have been DSPs that can do image enhancement at a far greater level than your top of the line CPUs can today; somewhere in the range of 1,000 times the performance of a similar CPU running at a similar clock rate. In most of these cases the DSP do not have the basic performance to handle 10 year old games.
lol.....................read those articles gain u BUF**** All SPEs are completely flexible. CELL is a vector cum SCALAR processor. the benchmarks compare each SPE with a PC core (in many cases). SPES excel in all applications..........i repeat all applications............they could be made to perform like vertex shaders too. READ those articles before commenting:- *benchmarks too) http://news.com.com/2061-10791_3-6160790.html http://cag.csail.mit.edu/ps3/lectures.shtml http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf http://www.mc.com/literature/literature_files/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf http://www.mc.com/literature/literature_files/CellPerfAndProg-3Nov06.pdf http://www.cell-processor.net/news.php?extend.54 http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/ http://news.com.com/2061-10791_3-6160790.html



washimul on 23 February 2007

HappySqurriel said: washimul said: kirby007 said: but what can they do with all this power? amazing physics, amazing GI, amazing TRE, amazing HDR , amazing AI......................................................these are what you could do with that power. Use CELL as a raycaster and raytracer...........as a GPU in terms of SPU allocation........................thats what you could do. i paid 600$ and i want to be delighted not just satisfied>>>>>>>>:) If you're joking you're pretty funny, if you're not ...
this is why i posted BENCHMARKS so that i am not made to look like a JOKER



kirby007 on 23 February 2007

so they are now at 10% of full power, but what happens when the have reached lets say 60%. What does this increase mean? Must i buy when they are at that point a new HD-TV?



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robjoh on 23 February 2007

HappySqurriel said: washimul said: http://news.com.com/2061-10791_3-6160790.html how massively underutilized the ps3 is at the moment......... But i am sure the new RAPIDMIND SDK would change things for sure. IBM themselves have termed the CELL as a minimum of 10x as powerful as the most powerful pc processor in the market. the claim has now been backed by MIT which says ps3 is a minimum 16x more powerful than any duel-core processor in the market (note without optimizers) http://cag.csail.mit.edu/ps3/lectures.shtml http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf with proper optimizers i guess ps3 is atleast 100x as powerful as XENON.............i am looking forward to MIT and RAPIDMIND for a performance boost of the most poerful supercomputer of the late nineties http://www.mc.com/literature/literature_files/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf http://www.mc.com/literature/literature_files/CellPerfAndProg-3Nov06.pdf http://www.cell-processor.net/news.php?extend.54 http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/ http://news.com.com/2061-10791_3-6160790.html Seriously, how much is Sony paying you? Because they should pay you less because with how annoying you are I'm less likely to buy a PS3
I agree... And please washimul, I have asked you again and again in my posts to you: 1, Do not use CAPS. 2, Please do not use things like !!!! ........ The reason for this is that you look like a 12 year old idiot trying to scream to the world how cool you are. For the benschmarks: PS2 had better numbers than the Cube and the Xbox, still it actuly was the system with least power when it come to show. Benschmarks doesn't mean anything if you can't use it! So far I haven't seen a single video which shows that the PS3 is more powerfull than Xbox360. I might belive this numbers when any game is shown that makes me see this. So far they haven't shown anything. Then I have to ask you one thing: Is it so important that the PS3 is the most powerfull system when you buy it? Did you buy a Xbox also? Or are you just a member of Sony defense force trying to justife a 600$ consol when the competition has a consol for 400$ Which looks as good as the PS3 for the moment?



 

 

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staticneuron on 23 February 2007

robjoh said: HappySqurriel said: washimul said: http://news.com.com/2061-10791_3-6160790.html how massively underutilized the ps3 is at the moment......... But i am sure the new RAPIDMIND SDK would change things for sure. IBM themselves have termed the CELL as a minimum of 10x as powerful as the most powerful pc processor in the market. the claim has now been backed by MIT which says ps3 is a minimum 16x more powerful than any duel-core processor in the market (note without optimizers) http://cag.csail.mit.edu/ps3/lectures.shtml http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf with proper optimizers i guess ps3 is atleast 100x as powerful as XENON.............i am looking forward to MIT and RAPIDMIND for a performance boost of the most poerful supercomputer of the late nineties http://www.mc.com/literature/literature_files/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf http://www.mc.com/literature/literature_files/CellPerfAndProg-3Nov06.pdf http://www.cell-processor.net/news.php?extend.54 http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/ http://news.com.com/2061-10791_3-6160790.html Seriously, how much is Sony paying you? Because they should pay you less because with how annoying you are I'm less likely to buy a PS3 I agree... And please washimul, I have asked you again and again in my posts to you: 1, Do not use CAPS. 2, Please do not use things like !!!! ........ The reason for this is that you look like a 12 year old idiot trying to scream to the world how cool you are. For the benschmarks: PS2 had better numbers than the Cube and the Xbox, still it actuly was the system with least power when it come to show. Benschmarks doesn't mean anything if you can't use it! So far I haven't seen a single video which shows that the PS3 is more powerfull than Xbox360. I might belive this numbers when any game is shown that makes me see this. So far they haven't shown anything. Then I have to ask you one thing: Is it so important that the PS3 is the most powerfull system when you buy it? Did you buy a Xbox also? Or are you just a member of Sony defense force trying to justife a 600$ consol when the competition has a consol for 400$ Which looks as good as the PS3 for the moment?
The concept of seeing better visuals on multiplatform ports are laughable. With the exception of oblivion no dev is going to make thier game perform or look better on another system. The are going to dev for on system and make sure it just works for other systems. What is the Sony defense force?



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baka on 23 February 2007

The Cell is a nice architecture, but the SPUs are basically just asynchronous co-processors with their own RAM and slow transfer times to main memory. It's an excellent architecture for offloading small tasks from the main PowerPC core, but you need tasks which are highly parallelizeable, not dependent on more than single precision floating point unless you want a performance hit, can be accomplished in 256k, and predictable in runtime in order to take proper advantage of them. Threading in the classical sense is not terribly practical since it depends on using memory in-place, so you really need separate tasks that provide results VERY quickly to make it work in a video game.



washimul on 23 February 2007

baka said: The Cell is a nice architecture, but the SPUs are basically just asynchronous co-processors with their own RAM and slow transfer times to main memory. It's an excellent architecture for offloading small tasks from the main PowerPC core, but you need tasks which are highly parallelizeable, not dependent on more than single precision floating point unless you want a performance hit, can be accomplished in 256k, and predictable in runtime in order to take proper advantage of them. Threading in the classical sense is not terribly practical since it depends on using memory in-place, so you really need separate tasks that provide results VERY quickly to make it work in a video game.
what a F***** trash can??? i poted 1000 articles on CELL and ps3 and an illeterate comes up with bizarre info. parallelliaaaaaaaaaaaa .................what the F***** is this guy saying..................................have been reading any of those links i posted from IBM, MC, UC, MIT



washimul on 23 February 2007

robjoh said: HappySqurriel said: washimul said: http://news.com.com/2061-10791_3-6160790.html how massively underutilized the ps3 is at the moment......... But i am sure the new RAPIDMIND SDK would change things for sure. IBM themselves have termed the CELL as a minimum of 10x as powerful as the most powerful pc processor in the market. the claim has now been backed by MIT which says ps3 is a minimum 16x more powerful than any duel-core processor in the market (note without optimizers) http://cag.csail.mit.edu/ps3/lectures.shtml http://cag.csail.mit.edu/crg/papers/eichenberger05cell.pdf with proper optimizers i guess ps3 is atleast 100x as powerful as XENON.............i am looking forward to MIT and RAPIDMIND for a performance boost of the most poerful supercomputer of the late nineties http://www.mc.com/literature/literature_files/Cell-Perf-Simple.pdf http://www.mc.com/literature/literature_files/CellPerfAndProg-3Nov06.pdf http://www.cell-processor.net/news.php?extend.54 http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/EDGE06_abstract.pdf http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~samw/projects/cell/LBLTalk.pdf http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellperf/ http://news.com.com/2061-10791_3-6160790.html Seriously, how much is Sony paying you? Because they should pay you less because with how annoying you are I'm less likely to buy a PS3 I agree... And please washimul, I have asked you again and again in my posts to you: 1, Do not use CAPS. 2, Please do not use things like !!!! ........ The reason for this is that you look like a 12 year old idiot trying to scream to the world how cool you are. For the benschmarks: PS2 had better numbers than the Cube and the Xbox, still it actuly was the system with least power when it come to show. Benschmarks doesn't mean anything if you can't use it! So far I haven't seen a single video which shows that the PS3 is more powerfull than Xbox360. I might belive this numbers when any game is shown that makes me see this. So far they haven't shown anything. Then I have to ask you one thing: Is it so important that the PS3 is the most powerfull system when you buy it? Did you buy a Xbox also? Or are you just a member of Sony defense force trying to justife a 600$ consol when the competition has a consol for 400$ Which looks as good as the PS3 for the moment?
again trash talk???????? CELL is not a simple architecture like normal pc cores /quad cores/ xenon. pcs would take atleast 5 years to reach CELL's performance. INTEL's 80 core in 2010 would do 1 TF .......but it still has no plans to produce that simulated PROCESSOR. Intel /amd has no response to CELL............simply everything is finish for them. i wouldnt be surprised if cell for ps4 comes equipped with 1000 spes and 100 ppes.