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fkusumot on 05 October 2008
akuma587 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
I totally agree with sql that full disclosure is better than no disclosure. If he has ties, let people know the extent of them. Unfortunately this is politics, and we both know that just letting the public know that he has ties to this man isn't the McCain camps goal. The goal isn't disclosure, it's fear mongering. And they aren't going to give facts, they are going to make insinuations, and run ads that have pictures of Obama with bombs strapped to his chest. I'm all for giving the public information, I'm very much against trying to scare the public into liking you.

Vagabond is seeing the main intent here. 

Do you think the McCain camp would give a shit about this at all if the guy hadn't been charged with terrorism charges?  NO!  They don't give a shit about the funding he gave to educational groups.  They give a shit about whether or not they can scare people into thinking Obama is a secret Muslim extremist who will blow up Washington.

Oh. They would never try to do that. That's as silly as calling him the anti-christ or saying that he's an arab and pals around with terrorists.

Full disclosure of McCain's health records or his finances would certainly be interesting. He's not willing to disclose that. With Sarah Palin as the VP and already talking like she's the president-in-waiting I really would like there to be some full disclosure of McCain's health records.



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NJ5 on 05 October 2008
fkusumot said:

Oh. They would never try to do that. That's as silly as calling him the anti-christ or saying that he's an arab and pals around with terrorists.

Full disclosure of McCain's health records or his finances would certainly be interesting. He's not willing to disclose that. With Sarah Palin as the VP and already talking like she's the president-in-waiting I really would like there to be some full disclosure of McCain's health records.

I have to say it would be interesting to see what a Palin presidency could look like.

Statistically, McCain has a 18% probability of dying during his first term. That's assuming he's as healthy as the average 72-year old, which might not be the case due to his cancer.

Let's say they currently have a 30-40% chance of winning the election. This means a 5-7% chance of Palin being president in the next four years. If McCain is less healthy than the average 72-year old, the probability is even more than that.

 



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The_vagabond7 on 05 October 2008

that's a terrifying statistic NJ5.



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NJ5 on 05 October 2008
The_vagabond7 said:
that's a terrifying statistic NJ5.

Wait, it gets worse:

http://www.pr-inside.com/sarah-palin-40-chance-to-take-r781355.htm

 

 



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Kasz216 on 05 October 2008
NJ5 said:
fkusumot said:

Oh. They would never try to do that. That's as silly as calling him the anti-christ or saying that he's an arab and pals around with terrorists.

Full disclosure of McCain's health records or his finances would certainly be interesting. He's not willing to disclose that. With Sarah Palin as the VP and already talking like she's the president-in-waiting I really would like there to be some full disclosure of McCain's health records.

I have to say it would be interesting to see what a Palin presidency could look like.

Statistically, McCain has a 18% probability of dying during his first term. That's assuming he's as healthy as the average 72-year old, which might not be the case due to his cancer.

Let's say they currently have a 30-40% chance of winning the election. This means a 5-7% chance of Palin being president in the next four years. If McCain is less healthy than the average 72-year old, the probability is even more than that.

 

I wouldn't call him an "average" 72 year old man. 

I mean he pretty much gets the best healthcare treatment the world has to offer.

Using those stats to try and estimate something like that for McCain is very misleading.

Comparing the Healthcare John McCain is going to get vs your "average" 72 year old is going to be far and away different considering the sad number of elderly that are poor.



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NJ5 on 05 October 2008
Kasz216 said:

I wouldn't call him an "average" 72 year old man. 

I mean he pretty much gets the best healthcare treatment the world has to offer.

Using those stats to try and estimate something like that for McCain is very misleading.

Comparing the Healthcare John McCain is going to get vs your "average" 72 year old is going to be far and away different considering the sad number of elderly that are poor.

That's a point in favor, but there are at least two points against - his previous cancer and the undoubtedly stressful environment under which the next president will operate. The average 72-year old hasn't had cancer, and has a less stressful life.

Obviously these probabilities are just estimations.

 



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akuma587 on 05 October 2008

I would say he is in worse than average health because of:

1) The stress he had to endure when he was a POW
2) His past incidences of cancer.



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vlad321 on 05 October 2008

I like how Palin gets personal considering she should be the one who is still getting grilled. One debate of no fuckups due to deflections do not make her any more capable than she was beforehand.



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HappySqurriel on 05 October 2008
NJ5 said:
Kasz216 said:

I wouldn't call him an "average" 72 year old man. 

I mean he pretty much gets the best healthcare treatment the world has to offer.

Using those stats to try and estimate something like that for McCain is very misleading.

Comparing the Healthcare John McCain is going to get vs your "average" 72 year old is going to be far and away different considering the sad number of elderly that are poor.

That's a point in favor, but there are at least two points against - his previous cancer and the undoubtedly stressful environment under which the next president will operate. The average 72-year old hasn't had cancer, and has a less stressful life.

Obviously these probabilities are just estimations.

 

 

He had skin cancer which is one of the easiest cancers to deal with when caught early ...

Besides that, a lot of elderly people you will meet will claim that retirement is the #1 killer of old people. I have never heard a really good reason for this but people who enter retirement and are highly productive and have a purposeful life generally live longer and healthier than those that don't ... An example of this is my Grandparents are in their mid 80s and still go out to chop wood for their wood burning furnace to heat their home over the winter.

Basically, I don't think that there is nearly as high of a likelyhood of John McCain dying as some people seem to think ... Certainly, it is more likely than Obama but there have been countless seemlingly healthy men in their late 40's/early 50's who have suffered a stroke or heart-attack and died (or been left in a condition where they could not continue as president).



cwbys21 on 05 October 2008

Stress is a big factor for heart problems, and African Americans have a higher chance of having a heart attack or stroke than a white person. Put Obama in the most stressful job in the world and you could make up percentages of Biden becoming President.



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