fooflexible said: And while I'm sure your thinking of little nifty elements in the software, my main point is most of the big franchises on the DS to date are exclusive, not just the games, but the entire franchises are exclusive. We're not talking the same characters and game content with a few twists to freshen up the portable, we're talking completely different concepts. And while titles like MGS4 might not incorperate PO's gameplay entirely, it will be charachters, plot and gameplay all in the same vein only much much better. So I'd rather wait for MGS4 and get Pokemon for my DS. Plus I'm really starting to find the analog nub on the psp annoying for 3d games, the controls are simply inferior to console controls, and that does have an impact because we're essentially playing console style games.(I've seen someone actually use an aftermarket analog stick version does anyone have a good recommendation for one?) I've played at length Virtua Tennis, Burnout, Lego Star Wars and I fail to see just how different these games are on the PSP. And even if they do have extra elements, boards, charachters, are they enough to buy for 40 bucks after shelling out 60 for the console version? I still say no. I'm not saying I hate the psp, I bought one and I don't regret it. In fact I've actually used the opposite of my logic on a few titles. I bought the Lego Star Wars title on the PSP instead of the console version. But I wish there was more fresh IPs that weren't so focused on a console like experience, I'd love some more adventure, rpg, and 2d fighters. I think my biggest beef with the psp is the selection of games is too action oriented. and I tend to not like playing 3d action on a portable.

fooflexible said: First off you mentioned alot of games that aren't out and many that aren't even coming to the psp God of War? And Devil may cry and GT Portable seem to be on indefinite hold. Second you mentioned some pretty average games in the there Out Run, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, even Fild Commander is good, but I'd take Advance Wars over it any day of the week. Have you played most of these games? I've played just about all of them, and Loco Roco is the only one you mentioned that is really good and doesn't actually have a console equivelent that's better. (Even this title as brilliant as it is, I just get bored with it after two hours) lets not forget your shelling out 40 bucks for games and way more for the system also. This is my big problem with the psp. later this year i'm going to buy Burnout 5 for my x360, and Burnout Dominator is coming for my psp, I'm sure it's going to be great, but Burnout 5 great? No. Again it'll be a crappy version of a console game. After spending 60 bucks on a great console title should I pay another 40 to get the watered down version on my psp? no. And I'm sure Dominator will be highly rated and used as an argument to give the psp a chance, but you can't forget the bottom line, if I want Burnout, I'm getting 5 for the 360 or the ps3, and not wasting my time with the psp version, same with GTA, Metal Gear, Tekken Syphon Filter, heck even Monster Hunter is now going to move to the ps3, eleminating another reason to waste time with the handheld. The DS treats the handheld market like a unique market with a unique gameplay experience with plenty of strong titles for casual or hardcore players that you simply won't find on your home console at all. So you can tell me how great every psp game is until your blue in the face but until they start making something other then crapy versions of console games or start selling eveything for 20 bucks it's just not worth it.

fooflexible said: This is my big problem with the psp. later this year i'm going to buy Burnout 5 for my x360, and Burnout Dominator is coming for my psp, I'm sure it's going to be great, but Burnout 5 great? No. Again it'll be a crappy version of a console game. After spending 60 bucks on a great console title should I pay another 40 to get the watered down version on my psp? no. And I'm sure Dominator will be highly rated and used as an argument to give the psp a chance, but you can't forget the bottom line, if I want Burnout, I'm getting 5 for the 360 or the ps3, and not wasting my time with the psp version, same with GTA, Metal Gear, Tekken Syphon Filter, heck even Monster Hunter is now going to move to the ps3, eleminating another reason to waste time with the handheld.

staticneuron said: Are you serious? You mean with stables like mario, mario kart, starfox, metroid, zelda, trauma center so forth and so on. These games have been around multiple time on other nintendo systems. The are the same games with (for most of them) no story and a highly tweaked gameplay.

fooflexible said: staticneuron said: Are you serious? You mean with stables like mario, mario kart, starfox, metroid, zelda, trauma center so forth and so on. These games have been around multiple time on other nintendo systems. The are the same games with (for most of them) no story and a highly tweaked gameplay. let's not get silly sure Mario and the likes are on the DS there does not exist a system that doesn't continue a franchise of some sort. But the DS games I've been into, Pokemon RPG, there isn't a single Pokemon RPG for any home console(spinoffs yes, but not the full real RPG), Nintendogs, Hotel Dusk, Phoenix Wright, Contact, Brain Age, Advance Wars, Elite Beat Agent, Club House Games, Jump Super Stars. The same cannot be said about the PSP. Monster Hunter will soon be coming to the ps3, other then that I can't think of a ton of original psp franchises. Gurumin, Field Commander, Loco Roco, Metal Gear Acid I'd count being that it's entirely different gameplay, yet honestly nothing I'm excited about.(And nothing that really sells a system) Hmmm....psp doesn't have many action games? Metal Gear, Syphon Filter, GTA, Dynasty Warriors...let me put it like this, if your running around a 3d environment and shooting, kicking, punching, then I call it action. That is a very big category on the psp. Adventure games like Hotel Dusk or Phoenix Wright, there isn't a single title on the entire system like this. Tactics, there is Field Commander, Lord of the Rings, and Metal Gear Acid. Nothing really like FF Tactics or Ogre Battle which is what I was hoping to see, in fact the only title like that is that Joan of Arc game coming, which I am excited about. RPGs there isn't a whole lot, Legend of Heroes is terrible Valkyre Profile is good but not traditional, Gurumin is a solid game but again its pretty much an action game. I do love Tales of Eternia which never came out in America and also isn't traditional but nontheless one of the few good rpgs. Poplocrios is traditionnal, again it's an outdated port with way too many random battles but nonetheless is one of the too few entries in this field. I know there is a Jewel Summoner game thats also a new IP it's supposed to be okay I haven't tried it yet, so I can't comment. So these three types of games are few on the system. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but for the most part I think that's true I might have played more PSP titles then you have and again I really don't think there is an enormous difference in game play(I'm not saying there won't be exceptions to the rule but I believe this in a big way. I've listed 3 examples, I don't think there is a need to go through the entire catalog to make my point. But if you want more how about Outrun, Ridge Racer, most of the sports titles, then ther are just the plan bad versions of console games like Spiderman, Godfather, and Scarface, besides I've yet to hear any examples of this different gameplay) Honestly there is no reason to get worked up over this I don't want to be taken as a Nintendo fanboy psp hater, which is what I may sound like only becuase I'm getting insulted by people not taking me seriously. Bottom line is, I like my psp alot, I just don't love it. The games I've enjoyed the most is Tales of Eternia(European version) i've played it for 25 hours, after that Tekken i've played that about 12 hours, everything else I've probably played for no more then 5 hours,(thrillville is getting close though), I just find I have a hard time getting into them beyond that. That bothers me as I really thought the psp was going to force my DS to collect dust, and yet it hasn't. For example I bought Gurumin and Hotel Dusk, after 2 hours of Gurumin I started to get bored of the action gameplay and really kiddy story, while Hotel Dusk really intrigued me, I've now played it ten hours and still love it.(and hotel dusk was 10 bucks cheaper) Now I'm back to playing Thrillville on the PSP which is a great game on there(another game I doubt is very different on a home console though, yet I can't say for sure since I haven't tried it yet.) All my arguements are really me trying to get to the root of why I continue to lose interest in my psp games, so you can tell me I'm wrong on every count and completely discredit every argument I make, but I truly have no reason to be biased and have given the psp a fair chance and will continue to do so, but I still feel the psp isn't loveable(to me personally). if this doesn't apply to you then so be it, but there is a reason the DS is outselling the psp, so it may be the most people happen to agree with me.

suk_my_wii said: nice to see ya kwaad every one thought you were dead im thingking of getting a psp but not enough games for me (besides loco roco) find any good games give me a shout