Since I work at a game store, I can tell you that the cost of PS3 controller is lower than 360 controller. Wii is the most expensive when you factor in the complete controller. Back when it was the sixaxis, the cost of PS3 controller was even lower. Sony is really ripping people off with the retail price of their controllers more than MS.
| dgm6780 said: @blaze did I say anything about SMG? but since you brought it up, it does get my most overrated game of the year award. close 2nd to GTA4. @sqrl 1. The PS3 doesnt have a bare bones package. Thats half my point. 2. Which games have sold the best on the wii? I say 9 of top 11 best selling games for wii require either 2+ controllers or other additional controllers to enjoy to their max. (wii play, wii sports, mario kart, wii fit, guitar hero, smash bros, mario party, mario & sonic, big brain academy) fyi 0 of top 10 ps3 games need more then 1 controller to be enjoyed to their max 3. see 2. I dont know ANY wii owner that doesnt have 4 controllers. 4. All prices were taken from bestbuy.com . you have a problem with this?? 5. what??? 6. again all prices were taken from bestbuy.com You seem to have a problem with the prices coming from central high volume retailer. Eliminating variables like sales and discounted items are crucial to doing a comparison like this. And it wasnt MY premise that the wii if for party/multiplayer games - its everyone's thought. Just look at the sales charts for Wii. so in summary The only thing anyone has pointed out is that to maximize the PS3's value you need an HDTV. So who is comparing a barebones setup to a maximized setup? The whole debate hinges on wither you think 4 controllers are a must for a wii or not. I think they are and so does every Wii owner I know. I know a few PS3 owners that play on SDTV's though. Plus the Wii also needs a TV and a nice one if you want to maximize your wii experience with 480p. And if you are pricing a TV to compare startup costs you are going to buy a HDTV for both systems. Price drops have all but killed an old school tube tv if purchasing today. |
Here's the trouble with anecdotal evidence, it doesn't really prove anything. Out of the 15 or so people I know who own a Wii, I'm the only person who owns 4 controllers (but I tend to purchase 4 controllers for every system I've owned). While I don't know anyone who only has a single controller for the Wii, I also don't know anyone who doesn't have at least 2 controllers for their PS3 or 360 either.
I'm also confused by your assertion that the top selling Wii games are required to be played multiplayer for full enjoyment, but at least 2 of the top selling PS3 games have multiplayer, yet aren't required to be played multiplayer for full enjoyment?
360 controller is overpriced. It does exactly the same as a cheap 10$ pad. PS3 overpriced too. 30$ shoulb be it. About Wii, I know it as enhanced motion control, speaker, internal memory and IR camera but it stills expensive to me. About 45~50$ should be the price of wiimote+nunchuk.
| dgm6780 said: @sqrl 1. The PS3 doesnt have a bare bones package. Thats half my point. 2. Which games have sold the best on the wii? I say 9 of top 11 best selling games for wii require either 2+ controllers or other additional controllers to enjoy to their max. (wii play, wii sports, mario kart, wii fit, guitar hero, smash bros, mario party, mario & sonic, big brain academy) fyi 0 of top 10 ps3 games need more then 1 controller to be enjoyed to their max 3. see 2. I dont know ANY wii owner that doesnt have 4 controllers. 4. All prices were taken from bestbuy.com . you have a problem with this?? 5. what??? 6. again all prices were taken from bestbuy.com You seem to have a problem with the prices coming from central high volume retailer. Eliminating variables like sales and discounted items are crucial to doing a comparison like this. And it wasnt MY premise that the wii if for party/multiplayer games - its everyone's thought. Just look at the sales charts for Wii. so in summary The only thing anyone has pointed out is that to maximize the PS3's value you need an HDTV. So who is comparing a barebones setup to a maximized setup? The whole debate hinges on wither you think 4 controllers are a must for a wii or not. I think they are and so does every Wii owner I know. I know a few PS3 owners that play on SDTV's though. Plus the Wii also needs a TV and a nice one if you want to maximize your wii experience with 480p. And if you are pricing a TV to compare startup costs you are going to buy a HDTV for both systems. Price drops have all but killed an old school tube tv if purchasing today. |
1) So your point is that the PS3 comes with an HDTV? Because thats what your comment would imply in order for you not to be wrong. The basis of your position is that Wii owners somehow need 4 Wii-motes to get the most out of a party game, and its the exact same argument as saying the PS3 needs an HDTV and 5.1 surround sound to get the most out of it.
2) Did you actually look at the top 10 list? Seven of the games have good single player or online modes, only six of the games can even use 4 Wii-Motes (for the people who even have them, but its still not required). The system is owned by a wide variety of users and even the group you're focusing on to the exclusion of everyone else doesn't actually need a full complement of peripherals.
But aside from that, if we take your point to its conclusion, are the people who are buying party games supposed to buy a PS3 instead? Does the price of the PS3 + 1 game get them anywhere near the same value as the Wii + 4 Wii-Motes + 4 Nunchuks + 4 WMP? Of course not, they get significantly more for their money, which of course illustrates the ridiculous imbalance of your comparison.
3) Anecdote =/= statistics. You do yourself a huge disservice by utilizing anecdotes to defend your point. Anyone can toss out an anecdote to support their argument. When someone relies on an anecdote they're usually lacking a reasoned argument to defend their point. And since your summary seems to lean on this anecdote heavily, I think that illustrates the validity of your assertion quite well.
4) Well perhaps you should link to where on BestBuy.com it says WMP is going to be $20..because I don't see it there or anywhere else (because the price hasn't been announced). But in case you were wondering Miyamoto said in an interview they are planning to make keep the price of WMP low and affordable.
In any case you didn't respond to the point. But that is a response in its own right.
5)You can fairly easily get peripherals at a good discount (both new and used), but I'll leave this point alone since it will only detract from better points (and there are a lot of them).
6) 2 Wii-Mote Li-Ion batteries w/ charging station = $13.84.
| dgm6780 said: I am not trying to prove anything. This started as a discussion of controller prices. Then the wii boys tried denying that the wii is most reliant on multiple controllers for max enjoyment. What has been the point is that Wii controllers w/nunchuck cost $60! And most people are going to want multiple controllers. Somehow this has been disputed and it has been asserted that people are buying Wii's for single player fun like Tony Hawks Downhilll Jam, Medal of Honor, Red Steel and Manhunt 2!!! (sqrl) Who will disagree with either of these 2 statements? The Nintendo Wii is the most reliant, of any current gen system, on 3 to 4 controllers to maximize the fun factor. The most expensive fully functional controller is the Nintendo combo of Wiimote + Nunchuck at $60. |
See now you're tossing out straw-man arguments, nobody is saying the Wii doesn't rely on multiple controllers more than the other consoles. What we are saying is that you don't need them anymore than you need an HDTV for an HD console. Of course what do we know, clearly some guy who got a Wii for his daughter would know more about it than the people who actually use it as their primary console =P
Nope, nobody disagrees with those points but your conclusion is, as I've said, a non sequitur. "Most reliant" does not equate to "requires" and "fully fuctional" does not equate to "only useful when". Wii owners don't need 4 wii-motes and you don't even need 1 nunchuk for each wii-mote because they are primarily used for single player games.
The point here is that regardless of what console you are on, if you want to maximize your gaming experience you're going to spend more than the default. Cherry picking a segment of the Wii user base to suit your argument and then continuing to make your point in defiance of logic is not a good argument..its just annoying.
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The HDTV argument doesnt hold water because if you are calculating startup costs for each system you would buy a HDTV for the Wii too. Prices dictate that any new tv purchase is going to be an HDTV. I never said anything to the effect that a PS3 comes with a hdtv.
Out of the top selling games for the Wii - the only ones I will concede have a strong single player are Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, and Zelda. Brawl is close, so throw that in too.
| dgm6780 said: The HDTV argument doesnt hold water because if you are calculating startup costs for each system you would buy a HDTV for the Wii too. Prices dictate that any new tv purchase is going to be an HDTV. I never said anything to the effect that a PS3 comes with a hdtv. Out of the top selling games for the Wii - the only ones I will concede have a strong single player are Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, and Zelda. Brawl is close, so throw that in too. |
To enjoy the wii you only need a normal SDTV...you keep saying to enjoy gaming to the fullest. You need HDTV to enjoy PS3 to fullest...you don't need HDTV to enjoy the Wii.
(This is towards your earlier posts) You also are incorrect because you do not need 4 numchucks. At most 2 but never 4.
| dgm6780 said: The HDTV argument doesnt hold water because if you are calculating startup costs for each system you would buy a HDTV for the Wii too. Prices dictate that any new tv purchase is going to be an HDTV. I never said anything to the effect that a PS3 comes with a hdtv. Out of the top selling games for the Wii - the only ones I will concede have a strong single player are Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, and Zelda. Brawl is close, so throw that in too. |
Define top selling for me. Wii Fit is almost entirely a single player game, and so is Big Brain Academy. Super Paper Mario doesn't even have a multi-player option. But here is the kicker on all that. The multiplayer games don't always require 4 controllers to play with other people.Passing the wiimote around is a viable option.
1. The HDTV argument doesnt hold water because if you are calculating startup costs for each system you would buy a HDTV for the Wii too. Prices dictate that any new tv purchase is going to be an HDTV. I never said anything to the effect that a PS3 comes with a hdtv.
2. Out of the top selling games for the Wii - the only ones I will concede have a strong single player are Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, and Zelda. Brawl is close, so throw that in too.
3. You said "I was focusing on party games" the point is that everyone is. All my friends and the sales chart prove this.
4. What is WMP? But here are links to all prices I posted.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8008559&type=product&id=1156203165702
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8054464&type=product&id=1158316638167
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8054482&type=product&id=1158316638226
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8212677&st=mario+party&lp=4&type=product&cp=1&id=1166235821933
5. Trusted brand charing kit $29.99 (from the same major retailer used for all my price comparisons)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8258495&type=product&id=1169857827334
sqrl - You are the one trying to deny facts. Do you need more citations? How is it not logical to calculate in the cost of extra controllers when considering startup costs of a wii? And I see you dropped your point that people are buying a wii for the single player experience of Tony Hawks Downhilll Jam, Medal of Honor, Red Steel and Manhunt 2. lol
and making my daughters wii my main console has nothing to do with my ability to judge how expensive something is. I am the one paying for this stuff - unlike most these 14 year old wii boys on here. Which makes me more qualifed to talk on this subject then the 14 year old with no job that plays the wii 8 hours a day.
@reptile - no you are 100% wrong.
ps3 controller $54 & $49
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8782533&type=product&id=1205245968202
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9447127
xbox controller $49 & $36
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7457575&type=product&id=1126591945583
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4196266
btw, i had to buy a play and charge kit for my xbox360 controller, which is gay as it adds to the price (35AUD). The ps3 controller comes with rechargeable lithium built it, which is way better. Also, why the hell is the play and charge kit so ugly? Did microsoft really have to make a big grey chunk to connect to the controller, geez.
I have 2 wii motes but only 1 nun chuck. I find the price of a nun chuck too pricey lol. 28AUD is overpriced i reckon.
Just to let you know, we get ripped off in Australia for our controllers. DS3 for 94, wireless 360 for 75, and Wii mote+nun chuck for 80+30! (all RRP btw).
| dgm6780 said: 2. Out of the top selling games for the Wii - the only ones I will concede have a strong single player are Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, and Zelda. Brawl is close, so throw that in too. |
Those are the only ones you will concede?
Why not Wiifit? Or Super Paper Mario? Or Link's Crossbow Training? Or RE 4? Or Metroid Prime 3? Or Lego Star Wars? Or RE Umbrella Chronicals? Or MySims? Or Red Steel?
These are all million sellers. All are at the very least centred on single player, some have little or no multiplayer.
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