Kwaad said: misterd said: Somewhat misleading. These are all "big" franchises, but not necessarily the biggest, especially God of War. Certainly Halo, Mario (and several iterations of it), Dragon Quest are bigger franchises that some of those listed. Of those that are listed, GTA and RE are available on other systems. I think a rather fair assessment of exclusives can be found here: http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7064 Note that this only looks at console exclusives (PC and handhelds are not considered). Significant titles (either for strong reviews, or strong franchise history) are in green. IN summation: 360: 44 released exclusives (33 green), 47 unreleased (12 green) PS3:8 released (3 green), 36 unreleased (11 green) Wii: 21 released (5 green), 55 unreleased (14 green) Understand that the unreleased games will have fewer "green" titles as new franchises have not had a chance to earn strong reviews (like Motorstorm and Gears of War). I just want to point out. Driver 5 Killzone NBA 08 SingStarPS3 The Getaway 3 Are un-released, and should be green, by their standards. EDIT: And the PS3 isnt about old franchises. It's about the new ones!

It's clear that they don't count portable releases, Kwaad, as the Wii would also have a few more "green" franchises if DS iterations were included. Here are the last iterations of these games I could find on metacritic:

Driver (last iteration "Driver: Parallel Lines"):

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbx/driverparallellines?q=driver

NBA (last iteration "NBA 07"):

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/nba07?q=nba%2007

Singstar (last iteration "Singstar Pop Hits"):

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/singstarpophits?q=singstar

Killzone (This is the only arguable one. Last iteration "Killzone" for PS2, as they aren't counting portable iterations for ANY console):

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/killzone?q=killzone

The Getaway:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/getawayblackmonday?q=getaway

So unless I'm missing iterations that are more recent than this (which is possible, although I did try to do a thorough search), I believe you are wrong on all counts (again, Killzone being the only possible exception, although they do apply this rule to all franchises on all consoles). Lastly, I think it's odd that you claim that the PS3 is about "new franchises," when the PS3 actually has the least number of new IP exclusives! 360 has 35, Wii has the most at 41, and PS3 has decidedly the least at 25.

Also, Kwaad, it would be nice if you could stay on topic. This thread is about pitching your preferred system, not criticising the preferred system of others. I chided Your Mother for this, and I think it's only fair I do the same for you! :p

your mother said: Bodhesatva said: your mother said: KBG29 said: ... I can understand your views on the PS3, but in all honesty, many of the unique selling points you mention may be moot for a PC gamer: The PS3 is the only system to deliver truly next generation gameplay, alongside breathtaking CG quality graphics. The PC's had that for years. With the widest viriety of genres across any console the PS3 has something for everyone. The PC blows all three consoles' lineup of titles, combined, out of the water. Have kids at home that want to play games, their is no place with more games for kids than the PS3. Again, the PC is the console to get if you are talking about kids, especially toddlers. The PC is the only platform that has a wide selection of EC (Early Childhood) titles to choose from. The system also plays Blu Ray movies which are spectacular if you have an HDTV. This point is very true, as even though I can buy a Blu-ray player/burner for a PC, the overall experience isn't as seamless. The cheapest Blu-ray for PCs still costs around 450 clams; having said that, it does burn Blu-rays as well, which the PS3 doesn't handle. I'm sure internal Blu-ray players will be much cheaper than that. Apart from that, though, many of the USPs for the PS3 are simply irrelevant: The Playstation 3 is the only console built to be future proof and for that reason it is the only console ready for Internet 2 with a 1Gbit ethernet port. You know, when I bought my new PC recently, I chose an ASUS mainboard and they didn't even have options without Gigabit - my mainboard comes with two gigabits built-in, with wireless AP built-in as well. Most of the other points you mentioned aren't even ready yet, so I still think those points about the PSN delivering downloadable movies is irrelevant, as it doesn't exist yet. You can, however, start downloading games and movies on a PC. Xbox Live also offers HD movie and TV downloads right now. Edit: Not dissing the PS3 - just want to put things into perspective. The OP said he comes from a PC world and is looking for a completely different experience, and honestly, the points you mention simply aren't very compelling from a PC gamer's perspective. While I may agree, Your Mother, let's not get in to system criticisms here. That would quickly devolve into flame wars, I suspect. Instead, let's all pitch our systems and leave everyone else to pitch theirs. If you feel that this is a downside of the PS3, point out the upside of the Wii instead. For example, pitch the Wii by saying: "It's very unlike the PC experience, so if you're looking for something completely new and distinct, pick the Wii!" I think that would be a fair pitch. I don't think it's invalid criticism. I think that the OP wanted a "completely different experience", and I honestly fail to see how the 360 or PS3 can deliver on that account. I also did mention that the OP should not expect anything remotely decent compared to the PC's graphics if he plans to get a Wii. That is what I would consider a pretty negative downside to the Wii, especially if the PC gamer is used to knockout graphics.

Your mother -- again, I agree with your assertion! Read my post. I'm not arguing with your premise, just your approach. This thread is about pitching your preferred console to the original poster. Instead of phrasing your pitch in the form of a criticism of other people's posts, I suggest you frame it in your own post, pitching this as one of the Wii's strengths, instead of one of the PS3's weaknesses. I'm aware those go hand in hand, but it would be nice to both keep this thread on topic (pitching your preferred console, not criticising other people's preferred consoles) while simultaneously remaining positive and upbeat. 

Bodhesatva said: Your mother -- again, I agree with your assertion! Read my post. I'm not arguing with your premise, just your approach. This thread is about pitching your preferred console to the original poster. Instead of phrasing your pitch in the form of a criticism of other people's posts, I suggest you frame it in your own post, pitching this as one of the Wii's strengths, instead of one of the PS3's weaknesses. I'm aware those go hand in hand, but it would be nice to both keep this thread on topic (pitching your preferred console, not criticising other people's preferred consoles) while simultaneously remaining positive and upbeat.

I understand that, but read MY post! I'm not arguing premise either - I think I was being fair! I criticized all consoles (Wii = subpar graphics compared to other consoles, PS3/360 = subpar pretty much everything else compared to a PC)!

Honestly, I couldn't do the bit about pitching the preferred console platform, because despite having a Wii, it's not my preferred - I don't have any preferred gaming platform as they all have their strengths and weaknesses - and I will most certainly buy a PS3 and a 360 sometime in the near future. Even then, neither one will become my preferred platform. I like to play games, period. That alone makes me happy.

I had this feeling that KGB29 came from a purely console-centric background, and probably didn't know these things I stated about the PC. I wanted him to gain a bit of perspective regarding PC gaming, because none of the consoles is the best thing since sliced bread when pitted against a PC. Console owners who don't game with PCs often fail to see this.

But I understand your point, Bodhesatva. I may have come off as aggressively attacking the PS3 but it was not my intention. My intention was to give an objective evaluation, specifically addressing the OP's comment.

Edit: I guess since I don't have a preferred console, I shouldn't comment then. If that's the case, please disregard all my posts in this thread. 

here's how to decide what console to buy:

1) make a list of every announced game for each console.
2) Remove from that list every game you don't want to play.
3) buy the console with the largest list

It's that simple.

Bodhesatva said: Kwaad said: misterd said: Somewhat misleading. These are all "big" franchises, but not necessarily the biggest, especially God of War. Certainly Halo, Mario (and several iterations of it), Dragon Quest are bigger franchises that some of those listed. Of those that are listed, GTA and RE are available on other systems. I think a rather fair assessment of exclusives can be found here: http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7064 Note that this only looks at console exclusives (PC and handhelds are not considered). Significant titles (either for strong reviews, or strong franchise history) are in green. IN summation: 360: 44 released exclusives (33 green), 47 unreleased (12 green) PS3:8 released (3 green), 36 unreleased (11 green) Wii: 21 released (5 green), 55 unreleased (14 green) Understand that the unreleased games will have fewer "green" titles as new franchises have not had a chance to earn strong reviews (like Motorstorm and Gears of War). I just want to point out. Driver 5 Killzone NBA 08 SingStarPS3 The Getaway 3 Are un-released, and should be green, by their standards. EDIT: And the PS3 isnt about old franchises. It's about the new ones! It's clear that they don't count portable releases, Kwaad, as the Wii would also have a few more "green" franchises if DS iterations were included. As such, here are the last iterations of these games I could find on metacritic: Driver (last iteration "Driver: Parallel Lines"): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbx/driverparallellines?q=driver NBA (last iteration "NBA 07"): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/nba07?q=nba%2007 Singstar (last iteration "Singstar Pop Hits"): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/singstarpophits?q=singstar Killzone (This is the only arguable one. Last iteration "Killzone" for PS2, as they aren't counting portable iterations for ANY console): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/killzone?q=killzone The Getaway: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/getawayblackmonday?q=getaway So unless I'm missing iterations that are more recent than this (which is possible, although I did try to do a thorough search), I believe you are wrong on all counts. Lastly, I think it's odd that you claim that the PS3 is about "new franchises," when the PS3 actually has the least number of new IP exclusives! (360 has 35, Wii has the most at 41, and PS3 the least at 25).

 Ok, I didnt plan on responding to this but.

Here are the large scale, hyped, 'new' things. No sequels, no movie ports. And no mini-game stackups. (not fair for the wii, but then agian, I dont consider mini-game.... stackups... games. At least not worth paying 30$ for. Screw the 50 they cost. 

Sony Has.

Resistance, Motorstorm. And to be released, Lair, Heavenly Sword, LittleBigPlanet,  Eye of Judgement, FolkLore, Home, Haze.

Microsoft Has,

To come, BlueDragon, Eternal Sonata, DogTag, Mass Effect, and Too Human.

Nintendo has,

to come, Boogie, Space Station Tycoon,  Dewy's Adventure, Disaster Day of Crysis, furu furu park, Dragon Blade, Zack & Wiki, Endless Ocean, NitroBike, Wii Fit, Wii MotorSports Airplane.

11 for Wii, 7 for PS3, and 5 for the 360.

Almost every game listed for the Wii is aimed at a younger audiance. Boogie, Dewy's Adventure, furufuru, dragonblade, zack, Endless Ocean, and Wii Motorsports. I am NOT saying not fun for older people tho. 

Just In terms of games for late teens, and adult gamers, the PS3 has the most 'new' franchise exclusives, And the 360/Wii tie in terms of what appeal to the older people. (I would take any 1 of the 360 games from microsoft over all the Wii ones)

And bold is what 1st party is doing to 'encourage' new growth. I didnt even count WarHawk, becuase it's a 'used' name, even though it hasnt been seen in 10 years.

Sony studios have at least 6 coming in the next 5.5 months.

Microsoft studios have 3 coming in the next 5.5 months.

Nintendo has 4 coming in the next 5.5 months.

However I would like to add, Wii fit is a mini-game thing but I feel it is so much more, due to the weight board thingie, and general appeal, so I included it. Overall the new franchises for the Wii so far seem like nothing special.  

omgwtfbbq said: here's how to decide what console to buy: 1) make a list of every announced game for each console. 2) Remove from that list every game you don't want to play. 3) buy the console with the largest list It's that simple.

 That works too. I'll have to do that just for fun to see what I get. LOL

The PS3 is so much more than a game console, you gotta give it some extra credit for playing BluRay. lol 

Kwaad said: Bodhesatva said: Kwaad said: misterd said: Somewhat misleading. These are all "big" franchises, but not necessarily the biggest, especially God of War. Certainly Halo, Mario (and several iterations of it), Dragon Quest are bigger franchises that some of those listed. Of those that are listed, GTA and RE are available on other systems. I think a rather fair assessment of exclusives can be found here: http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7064 Note that this only looks at console exclusives (PC and handhelds are not considered). Significant titles (either for strong reviews, or strong franchise history) are in green. IN summation: 360: 44 released exclusives (33 green), 47 unreleased (12 green) PS3:8 released (3 green), 36 unreleased (11 green) Wii: 21 released (5 green), 55 unreleased (14 green) Understand that the unreleased games will have fewer "green" titles as new franchises have not had a chance to earn strong reviews (like Motorstorm and Gears of War). I just want to point out. Driver 5 Killzone NBA 08 SingStarPS3 The Getaway 3 Are un-released, and should be green, by their standards. EDIT: And the PS3 isnt about old franchises. It's about the new ones! It's clear that they don't count portable releases, Kwaad, as the Wii would also have a few more "green" franchises if DS iterations were included. As such, here are the last iterations of these games I could find on metacritic: Driver (last iteration "Driver: Parallel Lines"): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbx/driverparallellines?q=driver NBA (last iteration "NBA 07"): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/nba07?q=nba%2007 Singstar (last iteration "Singstar Pop Hits"): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/singstarpophits?q=singstar Killzone (This is the only arguable one. Last iteration "Killzone" for PS2, as they aren't counting portable iterations for ANY console): http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/killzone?q=killzone The Getaway: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/getawayblackmonday?q=getaway So unless I'm missing iterations that are more recent than this (which is possible, although I did try to do a thorough search), I believe you are wrong on all counts. Lastly, I think it's odd that you claim that the PS3 is about "new franchises," when the PS3 actually has the least number of new IP exclusives! (360 has 35, Wii has the most at 41, and PS3 the least at 25). Ok, I didnt plan on responding to this but. Here are the large scale, hyped, 'new' things. No sequels, no movie ports. And no mini-game stackups. (not fair for the wii, but then agian, I dont consider mini-game.... stackups... games. At least not worth paying 30$ for. Screw the 50 they cost. Sony Has. Resistance, Motorstorm. And to be released, Lair, Heavenly Sword, LittleBigPlanet, Eye of Judgement, FolkLore, Home, Haze. Microsoft Has, To come, BlueDragon, Eternal Sonata, DogTag, Mass Effect, and Too Human. Nintendo has, to come, Boogie, Space Station Tycoon, Dewy's Adventure, Disaster Day of Crysis, furu furu park, Dragon Blade, Zack & Wiki, Endless Ocean, NitroBike, Wii Fit, Wii MotorSports Airplane. 11 for Wii, 7 for PS3, and 5 for the 360. Almost every game listed for the Wii is aimed at a younger audiance. Boogie, Dewy's Adventure, furufuru, dragonblade, zack, Endless Ocean, and Wii Motorsports. I am NOT saying not fun for older people tho. Just In terms of games for late teens, and adult gamers, the PS3 has the most 'new' franchise exclusives, And the 360/Wii tie in terms of what appeal to the older people. (I would take any 1 of the 360 games from microsoft over all the Wii ones) And bold is what 1st party is doing to 'encourage' new growth. I didnt even count WarHawk, becuase it's a 'used' name, even though it hasnt been seen in 10 years. Sony studios have at least 6 coming in the next 5.5 months. Microsoft studios have 3 coming in the next 5.5 months. Nintendo has 4 coming in the next 5.5 months. However I would like to add, Wii fit is a mini-game thing but I feel it is so much more, due to the weight board thingie, and general appeal, so I included it. Overall the new franchises for the Wii so far seem like nothing special.

Honestly, this is just saying: "Yeah, but I like the PS3 new IPs more," which is totally fine, but neither objective nor quantifiable. I could absolutely turn this around on you: I personally have very little interest in any new IP on the PS3 save Afrika and Little Big Planet. It's completely subjective and not worth arguing, frankly. I listed all the exclusive new IPs for the PS3, even if I thought some of them were junk. Removing your personal preferences -- and mine, which I never included anyway -- the Wii has substantially more new IPs than the PS3 (60 percent!), and the 360 considerably more so. There's simply no way to argue otherwise.

I assume you're conceding that the metacritic scores I've listed are accurate.

And it's interesting that you believe the PS3 is for "adult" gamers, given that the Wii is specifically known for driving adult (and female) gamer growth -- and as shown at E3, that claim is backed by statistical evidence. What about the "late teens," as you put it? I definitely buy that, as that's precisely who I imagine the PS3 is most aimed at. But I think you've pulled a fast one by lumping "late teens" and "adults" in to the same category. The tastes of 19 year old males and 40 year olds are quite distinct.

 

You beat me to the gun, Bodhesatva.

I would recommend wii. But the way I judge my games are as follows. PS3 and 360 are virtually small pcs.I aint to picky on console. If i had the cash I would get all 3 consoles. I went from console then tried pc gaming now back to console. I judge on genre at times. PS- Role playing games. 360 - racing (huge library) and pc - strategy . Wii is in its only league. If you want graphics of course pc rules. But for consoles PS3 and 360. But a unique game play I point out Wii. Wii has potential especially if they work on FPS. I have played FPS title for wii. It was awesome. Once I thought i bust my wii. I was willing to buy another one. Its just different. I would suggest Wii to buy time for now. Wait for xbox360 to drop buy that. Then wait for ps3 to have titles( :) get all the final fantasy titles for the ps3) and buy that. This my span in matter of months or years depending on your budget. How long you willing to wait.

Its all matter of taste really.

Kwaad said: misterd said: Somewhat misleading. These are all "big" franchises, but not necessarily the biggest, especially God of War. Certainly Halo, Mario (and several iterations of it), Dragon Quest are bigger franchises that some of those listed. Of those that are listed, GTA and RE are available on other systems. I think a rather fair assessment of exclusives can be found here: http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=7064 Note that this only looks at console exclusives (PC and handhelds are not considered). Significant titles (either for strong reviews, or strong franchise history) are in green. IN summation: 360: 44 released exclusives (33 green), 47 unreleased (12 green) PS3:8 released (3 green), 36 unreleased (11 green) Wii: 21 released (5 green), 55 unreleased (14 green) Understand that the unreleased games will have fewer "green" titles as new franchises have not had a chance to earn strong reviews (like Motorstorm and Gears of War). I just want to point out. Driver 5 Killzone NBA 08 SingStarPS3 The Getaway 3 Are un-released, and should be green, by their standards. EDIT: And the PS3 isnt about old franchises. It's about the new ones!

Which is why they showed 5 minutes of MGS4 footage at their press conference....I think every console brings new franchises. The problem is that it is impossible to say with any certainty whether a game will be a success prior to its actual release (Daikatana anyone?). Something like this is a simple guide, not immutable law. You have to use your own judgement.As for the franchises you listed, they were only "greening" franchises noted for high quality and strong sales. Whatever their criteria for reaching those benchmarks, I am guessing those franchises don't meet them. However, if you are a fan of Singstar, obviously the list will be even better in your eyes. OTOH, if you have no interest in Final Fantasy, the list will be somewhat diminished. And this is, of course, true for all 3 systems.