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bigjon said:
The Democrats turned it Political the second they decided that should pin it on Bush/ Mccain.

Also, Madskillz you said you were a christian? So why are you saying things like Jesus juice? I find that confusing.

Help me out, BJ. Didn't Bush and Co. vote to dereg Wall St.? If so, they allowed this foolishness to go down.

I don't blame WiiFit - I blame Bush/Cheney/McCain 08.

And you still didn't answer my question - why you are sooooooo against Obama. Thanks.

 



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bigjon said:
The Democrats turned it Political the second they decided that should pin it on Bush/ Mccain.

Who were they supposed to pin it on?  This problem has been a long time coming but Bush did nothing in office to try to stop it and as recently as two weeks ago McCain was praising deregulation in the banking industry, while trying to push for similar deregulation elsewhere.  Obviously both are complicit with the policies that led us to where we are today. 

The difference between what the Obama and McCain campaigns did:

Obama campaign:  Let's pin this on the Republicans "This was Bush' fault and McCain will continue his legacy..."
McCain campaign:  How can we turn this on Obama? "This is no time for partisan politics or bickering.  If only my opponent actually cared more about the economy and country than this campaign like I do..."



bigjon said:
The Democrats turned it Political the second they decided that should pin it on Bush/ Mccain.

Also, Madskillz you said you were a christian? So why are you saying things like Jesus juice? I find that confusing.

The American voters did too when they started shifting back to Obama because they thought McCain couldn't properly handle economic issues.  The Democrats didn't need to help them.

 



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madskillz said:

Help me out, BJ. Didn't Bush and Co. vote to dereg Wall St.? If so, they allowed this foolishness to go down.

I don't blame WiiFit - I blame Bush/Cheney/McCain 08.

 

How is deregulation responsible for this? This current financial crisis is the direct result of the sub-prime mortgage mess. No political party should be blamed for this mess. The Federal Reserve’s mismanagement of our money supply (interest rates) created this bubble…and then it popped.



madskillz said:
bigjon said:
The Democrats turned it Political the second they decided that should pin it on Bush/ Mccain.

Also, Madskillz you said you were a christian? So why are you saying things like Jesus juice? I find that confusing.

Help me out, BJ. Didn't Bush and Co. vote to dereg Wall St.? If so, they allowed this foolishness to go down.

I don't blame WiiFit - I blame Bush/Cheney/McCain 08.

And you still didn't answer my question - why you are sooooooo against Obama. Thanks.

 

Ok. Enough of that mccain wanted to get rid of regulation or whatever. Freaking read this. It is from the Congressional Senate recored (not foxnews for you sansui)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190

He displayed a heck of a lot of foresight there. He said the regulation is f'd up. He said it was corrupt, and could pose a huge danger to the economy. This bill was blocked by the democrats, just in case you wanted to know. So please stop saying it was McCain blah blah no regulation. It is on the congressional record.

 

Why do I dislike Obama so?

I think he is an empty suite. I was originally thinking about voting for him because I wanted a fresh face. I heard his speeches about a post-partison era. I was liking it. So then I studied him and learn about the real barack. He is a regular old down the line partison hardball politician. But he tries to sell himself as something completely different, and he gets away with it for the most part due to the media always portaying him in the best light possible. I also resent that. Why the heck are 300 or whatever reporters in Wassila AK, trying to dig up smuck on Palin? Why don't they split their forces and go to chicago and talk about his past dirty politics, reverend white, Aiers, he has some much "shady" stuff true or not they could get great ratings... but they don't. The biggest thing is I hate Party Politics, and Obama is one of the worst in Washinton, he voted 97% along party lines and was rated in 07 as the most liberal senator in congress. To make things worse he is basically a european socialist, so he is f'd up on the economy and he has a very extreme view on abortion.

There is more but my fiance is getting poed because I keep typing while we talk
 

 



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bigjon said:

Why do I dislike Obama so?

I think he is an empty suite. I was originally thinking about voting for him because I wanted a fresh face. I heard his speeches about a post-partison era. I was liking it. So then I studied him and learn about the real barack. He is a regular old down the line partison hardball politician. But he tries to sell himself as something completely different, and he gets away with it for the most part due to the media always portaying him in the best light possible. I also resent that. Why the heck are 300 or whatever reporters in Wassila AK, trying to dig up smuck on Palin? Why don't they split their forces and go to chicago and talk about his past dirty politics, reverend white, Aiers, he has some much "shady" stuff true or not they could get great ratings... but they don't. The biggest thing is I hate Party Politics, and Obama is one of the worst in Washinton, he voted 97% along party lines and was rated in 07 as the most liberal senator in congress. To make things worse he is basically a european socialist, so he is f'd up on the economy and he has a very extreme view on abortion.

 

Wow.  So much to digest there. 

You're honestly complaining that the media hasn't focused enough on Obama's connections to Rev. Wright, Ayers, and Rezko?  Obama's skeletons have been beaten to death for months and the attention is only now shifting to Palin because we didn't even know who she was a couple of months ago.  I highly doubt even 75% of Americans would be able to tell you who Sarah Palin was before she was chosen to be VP.

The "300 or whatever reporters" aren't neccessarily trying to "dig up smuck" on Palin.  They're trying to find out who the hell she is.  Since being introduced to the national scene she's had two legit interviews with Gibson and Couric.  Hannity basically lectured to her and waited for her to nod affirmatively to whatever he was saying.  For somebody who could become President of the United States and be put in to a major position of power on the global scene in just a few months we still know very little about her. 

There wouldn't be such an effort to find out about her if she was allowed to actually talk to the press.  Actually, scratch that.  Having a vice presidential candidate talk to the press is too much to ask and to insist on it would probably be foolish.  Can we at least get cameras near her for high profile meetings with foreign dignitaries?  The "No Talk Express" is responsible for the witch hunt into Palin's life.



bigjon said:
Aiemond said:
bigjon said:
theprof00 said:
bigjon use factcheck.org for god sake!

 

 

Holy fricken cow!!! what did I say wrong!!

(i was just mocking the tone of your post fyi)

 

Sansui-

Aren't you clever. Funny I was thinking of you when I posted my next post, and made sure I added the foxnews comment. just for you. Don't you feel special?

Political stunt? Maybe, I see it as a win- win. He gets a political stunt combined with he actually going to do his job. Something Obama knows little about seeing he has been running for Prez for 3/4 of the time he was on the senate.

Besides... why is Obama so eager to debate now? He has been weary of doing any bipartison town hall meetings. He went back to the teleprompter because he sucks when he is not on it? I think he just does not want to look like he is bowing to Mccain. Simple as that. All that he is doing now is debate prep anyways(or so I heard).

And let me say this again. Please stop it with the Fox News Bullshit. For pete's sake I could say the same thing about 75% of the other news outlets (from the other perspective of course)

Its not a win win though. People see through it as a political stunt. To get cought doing one in such a crisis is political suicide. And how is he going to do his job? It becomes a media circus and he is just gonna go in and try and push the bill through so he looks like a hero. Anyways, even Karl Rove on the O'riley factor said this was political suicide.

 

 

Since when do you guys take everything Karl Rove says for gospel? I thought he was like the next closest thing to satin... or something like that...

I think there is a chance it could backfire. But, I honestly think it is more him showing he can take iniative and such.

Also you say mccain would have no affect on the Bill? Well there are only 100 senators, make that 99 because Obama says he can multitask.. So there are 99 senators, McCain is, and has been for years a major voice of the Senate. He is seen as a centrist and in the past has worked boths sides of the aisle. I think McCain can do some good being there, I can see where Obama is coming from, he knows his presence would be worthless too.... Heck why do we need senators according to you all, appartly we elect them as potential canidates for pres now. Last I checked they pretty much run the country, and the President just signs what they give him.

 

 

I never said I liked Rove, i implied that he is a saint of the far right and if even he is saying it sucks then oh boy, no one really buys it. It would be like Pelosi saying "Obama you just screwed up the election".

 

Anyways, the reason McCain should not be in on this is simple. First, he admitted he did not understand the economy much. If he does not, how can he hope to have any understanding of what is going on? This is a complicated issue. He will just get in the way. Second, when you are working hard on getting soething done and then a someone busts in during the middle of making it what happens? It turns into a circus and everything slows down. If McCain was there from the start, maybe it would be a bit different, but he has not. He only decided this the DAY that a number of negative polls came out. He could have done this when the govt first mentioned this. Thats why this is a political ploy.



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madskillz said:

Help me out, BJ. Didn't Bush and Co. vote to dereg Wall St.? If so, they allowed this foolishness to go down.

I don't blame WiiFit - I blame Bush/Cheney/McCain 08.

 

How is deregulation responsible for this? This current financial crisis is the direct result of the sub-prime mortgage mess. No political party should be blamed for this mess. The Federal Reserve’s mismanagement of our money supply (interest rates) created this bubble…and then it popped.

In the wake of last week’s financial meltdown, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has been calling for more regulation and criticizing lax oversight of Wall Street, despite the fact that he and former senator Phil Gramm passed much of the deregulatory reforms that led to the current crisis. Interviewed on CBS today, however, McCain said he does not “regret” championing the deregulation of Wall Street:

Q: In 1999, you were one of the senators who helped pass deregulation of Wall Street. Do you regret that now?

McCAIN: No. I think the deregulation was probably helpful to the growth of our economy.

Source: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/21/mccain-deregulation/



bigjon said:
madskillz said:
bigjon said:
The Democrats turned it Political the second they decided that should pin it on Bush/ Mccain.

Also, Madskillz you said you were a christian? So why are you saying things like Jesus juice? I find that confusing.

Help me out, BJ. Didn't Bush and Co. vote to dereg Wall St.? If so, they allowed this foolishness to go down.

I don't blame WiiFit - I blame Bush/Cheney/McCain 08.

And you still didn't answer my question - why you are sooooooo against Obama. Thanks.

 

Ok. Enough of that mccain wanted to get rid of regulation or whatever. Freaking read this. It is from the Congressional Senate recored (not foxnews for you sansui)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190

He displayed a heck of a lot of foresight there. He said the regulation is f'd up. He said it was corrupt, and could pose a huge danger to the economy. This bill was blocked by the democrats, just in case you wanted to know. So please stop saying it was McCain blah blah no regulation. It is on the congressional record.

 I'll get to your Obama comment later

 

In the wake of last week’s financial meltdown, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has been calling for more regulation and criticizing lax oversight of Wall Street, despite the fact that he and former senator Phil Gramm passed much of the deregulatory reforms that led to the current crisis. Interviewed on CBS today, however, McCain said he does not “regret” championing the deregulation of Wall Street:

Q: In 1999, you were one of the senators who helped pass deregulation of Wall Street. Do you regret that now?

McCAIN: No. I think the deregulation was probably helpful to the growth of our economy.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/21/mccain-deregulation/

 



Even McCain was getting sick of the Jeremiah Wright stuff. He tried to stop ads from being run about it by private groups.

Obama was pretty browbeated by the media during the primaries, so they just ran out of stuff to blow out of proportion. Palin got so much criticism because her political record is pretty thin, no other reason. Republicans who cried foul on sexism claims would have played the sexism card so bad if Hillary would have been the nominee.



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