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nitekrawler1285 said:
Onyxmeth said:
nitekrawler1285 said:

Who cares if the PSP western developer support dries up. I've always loved companies like Capcom, Konami far more than most western developers with the exception of Naughty dog. It's not like other consoles(N64, GC) didn't have worthwhile libraries even though their consoles were not market leaders. Quantity does not always mean quality and everyone has different tastes.

Ok so on one hand you don't care that the western support is drying up because you prefer the Japanese developers but you then compare it to another console with dried up support you also favor, the N64, which had basically nothing but western support since the japanese support dried up for it.

Your last sentence is exactly why the PSP's third party support is so seemingly dry. Everyone has different tastes. In other words, not everyone wants damn near every new third party title built for the PSP to be an RPG. In fact, take away the upcoming RPGs from the PSP third party lineup and what do you have? Not much of anything unfortunately. You basically have RPGs, and some fighters and platformers featuring RPG characters.

 

A few racers which have always sold fine on the console.  Sony seems to be putting the western action games on it via the syphone filter series God of War(i know it was RAD but who payed them to do it) and upcoming resistance retribution.  Not to mention Capcom hasn't announced any of their games yet so here's hoping to RE 4.5, DMC, and a downloadable BC:rearmed.

Ok so I'm going to negate the first party games since this is a conversation about third party support. Basically from your own mouth, what a PSP owner that doesn't like RPGs has to look forward to is a few racers and some mystery games from Capcom. How is it again this doesn't look like third party support drying up?

 



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I said western support was drying up. It's the first line in your quote of me.It is a role that Sony is TRYING to fulfill. I mention Capcom and Konami because they have series that western gamers seem to enjoy in the action genre as well hopefully helping round out the library.



bouzane said:
Once again my favorite system starts to falter in the marketplace. Do I truly have so little in common with the average gamer?

 

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nitekrawler1285 said:

I said western support was drying up. It's the first line in your quote of me.It is a role that Sony is TRYING to fulfill. I mention Capcom and Konami because they have series that western gamers seem to enjoy in the action genre as well hopefully helping round out the library.

It's not JUST western support. It's also desirable japanese support outside of RPGs. Capcom has been steadily decreasing it's support. Konami is steadily decreasing it's support. Atlus is steadily decreasing it's support. Namco is steadily decreasing it's support. Sega is steadily decreasing it's support. The only publishers staying on board seem to be Nippon Ichi, Level 5 and Square Enix, and they all specialize in RPGs.

Sony cannot be a cure all for lack of western support either. There are only a limited number of studios working on PSP games, because the majority is hard at work on the big boy PS3 trying to overcome another rival in bloody battle over second place. Therefore, Resistance Retribution is just a replacement for Syphon Filter. It's either one or the other, not both. Why? Because Insomniac is too important to the PS3 for Sony to utilize on the PSP, so Sony Bend(Syphon Filter's developer) has taken the reins of the franchise going portable. In fact, most of Sony's franchises going portable have been done by hands other than the main teams because Sony puts their real energy behind PS3 releases. So if Sony is going to perpetuate an image that the PSP is second fiddle, then how do you expect third party developers to respond?

 



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1.
I should say that instead of "who cares if western development dries up?" I don't care.

2.
"Decisions made 20-22 months ago from a development cycle perspective are affecting the quantity of titles available today," said Koller. "20-22 months ago developers and publishers were looking at the PSP hardware and thinking 'It's not selling as well, maybe it's time to move our resources elsewhere.'"

"Things may be looking up for 2009. Koller said Sony has been on a road show for months visiting with all of the major publishers to get them stoked about PSP software development. A number of "very strong franchise games" (which have yet to be officially announced) will be launching next year, he said, and third party support is expected to pick up as well."
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/86456-PSP-Hemorrhaging-Third-Party-Support

3.
TGS has yet to happen, so lets see if we don't hear some announcements from Japanese companies that are supposedly decreasing their support since Japanese devs seem to be really about the portable scene as of late.

4.
The development cycle for PSP is probably a bit longer than that of the DS just about insuring less titles. Which also might give the appearance of steadily decreasing support.

5.
3rd Birthday will be a Third Person Action Game coming from SE. Just because they specialize in RPG's doesn't mean that haven't tried anything else and had it work out like PE2 which was a RE clone, Brave Fencer Musashi, Bushido Blade all games with good critical reception and cult following.

6.
Notice the capitalization of the word TRYING in my previous post which means I was emphasizing it to show the exact same point, Sony is not the cure but they are TRYING to be.

7.
Monster Hunter and its expansions don't seem like withdrawing support.

8.
Phantasy Star Portable (a decent success I might add) doesn't seem like withdrawing support.

9.

PES 2009 will continue to hit the system as well



It's like I predicted a year ago. By late 2009, we won't see but a few sporadic 3rd party games for the PSP. By 2010 they will need to bring out a new PSP or give up on handhelds.



1. Fair enough. That still shows a glaring contradiction in your N64 comparison, but whatever. Done deal.

2. I would be overjoyed if this comes to pass. Here's hoping that this is true.

3. TGS will not help the situation with western development, only Japanese. This at best can solve only half of the problem.

4. There were graphs posted by waron that show PSP software has been decreasing in quantity for the last two years at a roughly 20% rate. Go back to read it. That is in comparison only with itself.

5. Those games all came out on the PSOne. Square shaved off most of it's non-RPG aspirations long ago. Also I clearly explained that the majority support was either RPGs or spinoffs featuring RPG characters, like the new Parasite Eve, FF Dissidia and the Prinny game from NIS. I did acknowledge the fact there were other genres being approached but they were the exception, not the rule.

6. Ok, fair enough, but my point was that their trying will fail because Sony is not putting more energy into the PSP to accomodate this third party downward spiral. They are simply changing the franchises they put on there, like how we won't have a new Syphon Filter because we will now have Resistance. It doesn't give us more games, just different ones.

7. Capcom supports hasn't dwindled? You speak of one series, which has made one game per year. How about Capcom's support outside of Monster Hunter? In 2006, Capcom released 10 PSP titles. In 2007, Capcom released 2 PSP titles. In 2008, Capcom released 2 PSP titles. How do you not see dwindling support? Capcom released 2 1/2 times more titles in 2006 alone than 2007 and 2008 combined.

8. Sega released 7 PSP titles in 2006. They then released about 11 titles in 2007. So far in 2008 they've put out about 2 titles, one of which is only available in Japan right now, and won't be localized for a bit. Sure there are a helping of other Sega titles on the PSP, if you live in Japan, but a good 40% of Sega's titles are never leaving the land of the rising sun.



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Onyxmeth said:

1. Fair enough. That still shows a glaring contradiction in your N64 comparison, but whatever. Done deal.

I stated that Nintendo's first party titles were the ones I enjoyed don't see how that is a contradiction

2. I would be overjoyed if this comes to pass. Here's hoping that this is true.

3. TGS will not help the situation with western development, only Japanese. This at best can solve only half of the problem.

I never claimed western support would get better but that japanese companies might release action games that western audiences would enjoy as well. Helping remedy their absense.

4. There were graphs posted by waron that show PSP software has been decreasing in quantity for the last two years at a roughly 20% rate. Go back to read it. That is in comparison only with itself.

5. Those games all came out on the PSOne. Square shaved off most of it's non-RPG aspirations long ago. Also I clearly explained that the majority support was either RPGs or spinoffs featuring RPG characters, like the new Parasite Eve, FF Dissidia and the Prinny game from NIS. I did acknowledge the fact there were other genres being approached but they were the exception, not the rule.

Just because it's a spinoff featuring a popular character doesn't change it's genre or relevance towards helping create a more varied library

6. Ok, fair enough, but my point was that their trying will fail because Sony is not putting more energy into the PSP to accomodate this third party downward spiral. They are simply changing the franchises they put on there, like how we won't have a new Syphon Filter because we will now have Resistance. It doesn't give us more games, just different ones.

I said they are NOT the cure but TRYING to be

7. Capcom supports hasn't dwindled? You speak of one series, which has made one game per year. How about Capcom's support outside of Monster Hunter? In 2006, Capcom released 10 PSP titles. In 2007, Capcom released 2 PSP titles. In 2008, Capcom released 2 PSP titles. How do you not see dwindling support? Capcom released 2 1/2 times more titles in 2006 alone than 2007 and 2008 combined.

Most of those 10 titles we ports and simple remakes of vastly older games requiring much less time and effort than even ps2 ports and new games which comes back to me talking about how the dev cycle is longer on the platform(4).  If this isn't the case i would expect MH3 to be out already since there isn't much of a graphical update and the wii is more powerful. Capcom loves to release a barrage of ports on new systems before they get around to the real meat and bones and making real games which takes more time.

8. Sega released 7 PSP titles in 2006. They then released about 11 titles in 2007. So far in 2008 they've put out about 2 titles, one of which is only available in Japan right now, and won't be localized for a bit. Sure there are a helping of other Sega titles on the PSP, if you live in Japan, but a good 40% of Sega's titles are never leaving the land of the rising sun.

Could you please list some of these titles for me as i'm having some trouble finding that many sega titles and can only think of 3.

 

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I can't wait for TGS because I care much more about Japanese support than Western.



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