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blackstar said:
highwaystar101 said:
blackstar said:
tombi123 said:
So the main reasons why believers, believe is due to personal experiences and not believing in the science. Anymore?

 

 science can't explain "life"

 

 *highwaystar101 recalls a biology lesson from when he was 5 and every one since"

Yup, I'm pretty sure science can explain more about life than believing in "her" can.


 

i'm copying and pasting this because it's all i have :) "we can't be a coincidence this whole world can't be a coincidence, the way the planets are orginized can't be a coincidence the way ur body live and functions can't be a "coincidence" -plz read into human physiology and u will get what i mean- if i tell u that there was an airplane that flew all the way from africa after it took off and then landed on america with no pilot, u wouldn't believe this how about these planets these galaxies that are orginized in a way that no one can explain , not even the big band theory"

The way the planets are 'organized' is a coincidence, they all just formed in the same manner as would be expected under the laws of physics. The way your body lives and functions isn't coincidence it came about through evolution.

Also various branches of physics do explain why the galaxies and planets are organized as they are and the big bang theory (not the big band theory, although big bands are pretty awesome) is only a part of that.

Also a plane is nothing like the universe, to equate the two in that little metaphor is just silly. The universe is a big jumbled mess governed by a few solid laws. A plane that flies itself is highly and rigourously organised and requires intelligence (in order to fly itself).

 



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madskillz said:

I know a cat who said in the '60s there was a magnetic field around celestial bodies.

Scientists discovered that Earth had an iron core that created a magnetic field in the 1930's.  Scientists knew about the Sun's magnetic field in the 1950's.  This 'cat' didn't say anything that scientists didnt already know, and assuming that Mars and Venus have iron cores just like earth isn't impressive at all, especially when scientists already thought the same thing.



Rath said:
blackstar said:
highwaystar101 said:
blackstar said:
tombi123 said:
So the main reasons why believers, believe is due to personal experiences and not believing in the science. Anymore?

 

 science can't explain "life"

 

 *highwaystar101 recalls a biology lesson from when he was 5 and every one since"

Yup, I'm pretty sure science can explain more about life than believing in "her" can.


 

i'm copying and pasting this because it's all i have :) "we can't be a coincidence this whole world can't be a coincidence, the way the planets are orginized can't be a coincidence the way ur body live and functions can't be a "coincidence" -plz read into human physiology and u will get what i mean- if i tell u that there was an airplane that flew all the way from africa after it took off and then landed on america with no pilot, u wouldn't believe this how about these planets these galaxies that are orginized in a way that no one can explain , not even the big band theory"

The way the planets are 'organized' is a coincidence, they all just formed in the same manner as would be expected under the laws of physics. The way your body lives and functions isn't coincidence it came about through evolution.

Also various branches of physics do explain why the galaxies and planets are organized as they are and the big bang theory (not the big band theory, although big bands are pretty awesome) is only a part of that.

Also a plane is nothing like the universe, to equate the two in that little metaphor is just silly. The universe is a big jumbled mess governed by a few solid laws. A plane that flies itself is highly and rigourously organised and requires intelligence (in order to fly itself).

 

lolz

why are we not evolving now?

 EDIT : I loled at the typo i did not at what u said :)



blackstar said:

why are we not evolving now?

We are.  Evolution is a gradual process, so you'll be much better off looking for 'evolution' in bacteria that rapidly reproduce, you may even do this in a high school or college experiment.



how??????????????



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ManusJustus said:
blackstar said:

why are we not evolving now?

We are.  Evolution is a gradual process, so you'll be much better off looking for 'evolution' in bacteria that rapidly reproduce, you may even do this in a high school or college experiment.

 

 i don't know, the only thing i know about bacteria that might help the evolution theory is that they do develope antibiotic resistance but so do all the living creatures



blackstar said:
ManusJustus said:

We are.  Evolution is a gradual process, so you'll be much better off looking for 'evolution' in bacteria that rapidly reproduce, you may even do this in a high school or college experiment.

i don't know, the only thing i know about bacteria that might help the evolution theory is that they do develope antibiotic resistance but so do all the living creatures

Developing antiobitic resistence is an example of evolution.  Bacteria are exposed to a new environment (drug, poison, changes in salinity, temperature, etc.), and some bacteria die while others live.  If a bacteria has a genetic mutation that allows it to survive, then it passes that trait down to all its off spring.

If you have a dish full of bacteria and introduce them to antibiotics and one survives, in a short time you will have a full dish of bacteria that evolved a new trait.  That is why we have to develop new medicines all the time, bacteria are evolving to survive a change in their environment.  Now, one trait may not seem that big a deal, but after tens of thousands of years the continual development of new traits will create an organism that is easily distinguishable from its ancestors, thus evolution.



to quote Bill hicks.

"Have you ever noticed how creationists and people who don't believe in evolution all look unevolved?"

evolution is fact!!!!!

I have seen it happen, we have all seen it happen. Can your god explain what is happening in this picture???

This is the chain of homind evolution shown in human skulls. This evolution is happening now.

The earlier skulls in this pic are only a few ten thousand years old and look at the change.

People who are ignorant to truth and facts as blatant as this really piss me off.



ManusJustus said:
blackstar said:
ManusJustus said:

We are.  Evolution is a gradual process, so you'll be much better off looking for 'evolution' in bacteria that rapidly reproduce, you may even do this in a high school or college experiment.

i don't know, the only thing i know about bacteria that might help the evolution theory is that they do develope antibiotic resistance but so do all the living creatures

Developing antiobitic resistence is an example of evolution.  Bacteria are exposed to a new environment (drug, poison, changes in salinity, temperature, etc.), and some bacteria die while others live.  If a bacteria has a genetic mutation that allows it to survive, then it passes that trait down to all its off spring.

If you have a dish full of bacteria and introduce them to antibiotics and one survives, in a short time you will have a full dish of bacteria that evolved a new trait.  That is why we have to develop new medicines all the time, bacteria are evolving to survive a change in their environment.  Now, one trait may not seem that big a deal, but after tens of thousands of years the continual development of new traits will create an organism that is easily distinguishable from its ancestors, thus evolution.

Yes but for evolution to work through the ages, there has to be the addition of new, more complicated information into the organism, in that example, that just isn't happening.

With regards to those skulls, last time I checked they work out each skull from like 3 fragments, and an ankle bone, there's very little skeletal bits left in order to track the evolution of humans, let alone find a common ancestor. Plus, ever heards of the cambrain explosion? Been nicknamed the 'biological big bang'.

 



Tispower1 said:
ManusJustus said:
blackstar said:
ManusJustus said:

We are.  Evolution is a gradual process, so you'll be much better off looking for 'evolution' in bacteria that rapidly reproduce, you may even do this in a high school or college experiment.

i don't know, the only thing i know about bacteria that might help the evolution theory is that they do develope antibiotic resistance but so do all the living creatures

Developing antiobitic resistence is an example of evolution.  Bacteria are exposed to a new environment (drug, poison, changes in salinity, temperature, etc.), and some bacteria die while others live.  If a bacteria has a genetic mutation that allows it to survive, then it passes that trait down to all its off spring.

If you have a dish full of bacteria and introduce them to antibiotics and one survives, in a short time you will have a full dish of bacteria that evolved a new trait.  That is why we have to develop new medicines all the time, bacteria are evolving to survive a change in their environment.  Now, one trait may not seem that big a deal, but after tens of thousands of years the continual development of new traits will create an organism that is easily distinguishable from its ancestors, thus evolution.

Yes but for evolution to work through the ages, there has to be the addition of new, more complicated information into the organism, in that example, that just isn't happening.

With regards to those skulls, last time I checked they work out each skull from like 3 fragments, and an ankle bone, there's very little skeletal bits left in order to track the evolution of humans, let alone find a common ancestor. Plus, ever heards of the cambrain explosion? Been nicknamed the 'biological big bang'.

The cambrian explosion is only an explosion on the geological timescale - it still took several million years. Add to that the fact that there is growing evidence that some advanced life had already evolved in the precambrian peroid and it really isn't that much of an explosion.

Also new more complicated information comes from mutations of old information and through one of the mutations of DNA being random duplication of segments of DNA.

Oh and those skulls are real images of skulls I think, not reconstructions. Here are some more photos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils