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Xyrax on 14 July 2007

Just saw this on Yahoo news and cnet news and news.com.

Looks like right now, we have a few facts.

60GB discontinued
80GB The new SKU at 599

And a bunch of speculation like "Of course they are going to drop the price on the 80GB that only makes sense! They wouldn't ever increase the percepted price of the PS3"

Well tell that to me earlier this year when the 499 PS3 disappeared and suddenly the price of the PS3 INCREASED not only in perception but reality. At this point noone knows wtf Sony is doing. Leaking this information alone was a misstep because theres no way I'm going to tell someone to buy a 60GB now. Just wait and you might POSSIBLY be able to get a 80gb in a month for the same price? Jesus Christ, now thats screwing people over right there.

There are alot of options they could go with on the 80GB SKU. It does say its Limited Edition. But none of you know if they are going to remove Motorstorm and pack in another game and stay at 599. Something like Eyetoy and a PS3 for this fall at 599 is just as easy to speculate about as dropping Motorstorm and pricing it at $499. No one is right, No one knows what they are going to do. But one thing can be agreed upon. This is just getting ridiculous.

Whether its selling people 60GB for 499 then 1 month later selling 80gb for 499 screwing those early buyers or if its dropping the 499 and effectively raising the price again to 599. Both are bad moves that could have been executed with far FAR more grace. Its going to hurt them in the end, the Media is already running wild with their sensationalist headlines. Have a look:

http://videogames.yahoo.com/news-522734
VIDEO GAME NEWS
E3: PS3 price cut temporary?

http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9744323-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5
July 13, 2007 2:20 PM PDT
PS3 price cut isn't going to last?


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Thats the stuff that hurts right there. Im torn on this one. I cant say to myself that Sony isnt stupid enough to effectively increase the price of the PS3. Because they have already done it once, and because they were stupid enough to launch a console at 599 in the first place. Keeping that in mind, this just isnt that much of a stretch for me.

Then on the other hand I cant say they are stupid and wont drop Motorstorm and make it 499. Because they might just do that. These are the guys who sold 100+ million consoles the last two gens, clearly they know SOMETHING about how to make things work. Besides, the last 8 months have painted a clear picture about $599 consoles, even a monkey could tell its a bad idea, so you have to know some of their suits realize this and are already planning to remedy it.



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windbane on 14 July 2007

Heh.  Disbelievers...

Half of us will just agree to disagree, but here is what is going to happen....

60GB will take awhile to sell out because they have a lot of leftover stock.  It is selling out in certain stores, sales are certainly doing a lot better (Sony predicted sales to double and a lot of people jumped on that, so we'll see if they are right).  Since people don't believe the 80GB will drop, and the fact that some people are worried about software emulation, and the fact that 20GB isn't much to wait for, the 60GB will continue to sell until it's out.  If it doesn't, Sony will drop the price a little more to clear it out, because they have said (and everyone seems to be so keen to quote Sony, which is interesting considering how many times they contradict each other...I prefer thinking on my own and logically instead of going by whatever the last statement by Sony was)...anyway, they have said that they are going to reassess the market after the the 60GB is sold out.  If you don't think that will be a price drop, fine.  It's going to happen whether you believe it or not.  Just disagree and let's all wait to see it happen.



Tispower on 14 July 2007

well as the only quote from Sony given seems to be "We are offering a full-featured PS3 for $100 lower than the original price and will do so for months to come, allowing consumers the opportunity to acquire this model at this adjusted price."

I'm just going to go ahead and assume this is permanent.



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Saiyar on 14 July 2007

Does anyone know what is happening or is all this just speculation? I know the Sony execs aren't helping but has one of them given a definitive line?



outlawauron on 14 July 2007
Meathands said:
-ssj12

You really need to seperate what Sony is actually saying from what you wish they were saying.

Sony has only stated:
-60Gb is $499 until is sells out as it has been discontinued.
-80Gb with reduced backwards compatibility (~60% vs. ~100%) and a 5 month old game (8 if you count japan launch) is $599

The actual Sony press release mentions nothing of an additional controller, mentions nothing about the controller having rumble, and mentions nothing about future price drops. In fact the box shown in Sony's official press release shows only one controller: http://tinyurl.com/23lkrh

Would it be smart to drop the price once the 60Gb are gone, yes.
Would it be smart to include rumble in the SixAxis, yes.
Would it be smart to include a second controller, not so much as many people play alone and controller sales actually make Sony money.

Has Sony in any way said they would do any of those things, no.

80 gb has <70% BC, and what is wrong with making predictions on what Sony might (and probably will) do.



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Avalach21 on 14 July 2007
Gballzack said:
The problem here is optimist assume all consumers are eager-to-pounce Sony cheerleaders. The fact of the matter is, a price cut for an older version with a newer version comming out basically makes the older version quite suspicious in the eyes of the consumer if not to a certain degree more undersireable then it would have been before hand. Given the casual consumer's typical perception of video game consoles having technical issues this generation and last it wouldn't be atypical for them to attribute the abandonment of an older model to defects or undesireable performance especially with all the fuss about firmware updates and what not to make the Ps3 do what it should have out of the box. On that note, will this newer version even fix all those issues? But then again, this pesimism isn't any more founded in many regards than the optimism fluffing this thread so let's move on to some tangible hypotheticals shall we?

If $500 instead of $600 dollars isn't enough to sway people's passions to buy a PS3 to begin with, why would you think that announcing the fact that the said $500 dollar version is now essentially dated and inferior to an upcomming better version is going to help its sales any? Did the inferior $500 20gb PS3 sell well in comparison to the $600 60gb PS3? No. So I fail to see how this is going to be any different. History people, History, it repeats itself.

If Nintendo had done something to this effect for the Wii, it would have been cursed by Sony Fanboys across the land as Nintendo forsaking the customer for a cheap buck and not doing the job right the first time. Yet surprise surprise I see people here cutely trying to put a positive twist on the whole debacle for their Sony console as if this is some master stroke in a long played Chess Game of marketing.

If this is such a good thing or non-issue (as I see it played both ways at the mercy of the optimists' arguments) then why did Sony Fanboys on this forum go apeshit with rage after it was announced? Why has Sony fanboy trolling been at an all time high? You can feign confidence but you can't hide your fear.
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Avalach21 on 14 July 2007
naznatips said:
windbane said:
naznatips said:
There are some topics I try to avoid, this is one of those, but I think the arguments here are ridiculous. Can any of you see in the future? No, you can't. We don't know what will happen with the 80GB when the 60GB is gone yet, so stop arguing about it.

You think Sony will keep the 80GB at $600 even after the 60GB is sold out? The only PS3 system will be packed with Motorstorm? Really?

I'm pretty sure it's only bundled with Motorstorm because of the new maps coming out next month.

No one knows the future, but this is common sense.


Notice I never made a prediction one way or the other, because I don't KNOW.  None of us do.


 

This is what I have been saying all along.  I want to clarify that.  I never said that FOR SURE, the PS3 would remain at the $599 pricepoint.  All I said was that it is a possibility, and provided sound logic as to why it would remain there.

 

The problem is, FIRST ckmlb stated AS A FACT that the PS3 would fall back to the $499 pricepoint after the 60gb PS3 clears out.  And up until this point he STILL fails to CONSIDER that the PS3 might POSSIBILY stay at the $599 pricepoint.  I see both as possibilities, but I won't state either as fact.

 

According to Darc Requiem, Kaz Hirai stated that the PS3 would remain at the $599 pricepoint in an interview, (since this is coming from a Sony executive, not a Sony fanboy on a videogame forum,) so if I had to lean either way, I would towards that side, but I still won't state it as fact, much less even make an absolute prediction.



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Avalach21 on 14 July 2007
ckmlb said:

So here's how it's going down: 60gb sells out, August 1, the 80 gb comes out and it becomes the standard with the pack in game.

That limited edition sells out then the 80gb becomes the standard at 500 dollars soon after the 60 gb has sold out entirely.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26704

Hence, the great offers and stuff, sell lots of PS3s and get rid of the costly 60 gb machines and replace them with the 80 gb machines that they are either closer to or are making actual profits on.

Pretty clever. 

 

Here Ckmlb, this is your first post.


I'll show you what you should have done to have ended this before it even started.

 

 

 

 

So here's how it's going down: 60gb sells out, August 1, the 80 gb comes out and it becomes the standard with the pack in game.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26704

Now this is what I believe will happen after that:

That limited edition sells out then the 80gb becomes the standard at 500 dollars soon after the 60 gb has sold out entirely.

 

Hence, the great offers and stuff, sell lots of PS3s and get rid of the costly 60 gb machines and replace them with the 80 gb machines that they are either closer to or are making actual profits on.

Pretty clever. 

 



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ssj12 on 14 July 2007
outlawauron said:
Meathands said:
-ssj12

You really need to seperate what Sony is actually saying from what you wish they were saying.

Sony has only stated:
-60Gb is $499 until is sells out as it has been discontinued.
-80Gb with reduced backwards compatibility (~60% vs. ~100%) and a 5 month old game (8 if you count japan launch) is $599

The actual Sony press release mentions nothing of an additional controller, mentions nothing about the controller having rumble, and mentions nothing about future price drops. In fact the box shown in Sony's official press release shows only one controller: http://tinyurl.com/23lkrh

Would it be smart to drop the price once the 60Gb are gone, yes.
Would it be smart to include rumble in the SixAxis, yes.
Would it be smart to include a second controller, not so much as many people play alone and controller sales actually make Sony money.

Has Sony in any way said they would do any of those things, no.

80 gb has <70% BC, and what is wrong with making predictions on what Sony might (and probably will) do.


 You sure the BC isnt higher? I could have sworn that the PAL BC is like 95 - 98% now.



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Saiyar on 14 July 2007
ssj12 said:
outlawauron said:
Meathands said:
-ssj12

You really need to seperate what Sony is actually saying from what you wish they were saying.

Sony has only stated:
-60Gb is $499 until is sells out as it has been discontinued.
-80Gb with reduced backwards compatibility (~60% vs. ~100%) and a 5 month old game (8 if you count japan launch) is $599

The actual Sony press release mentions nothing of an additional controller, mentions nothing about the controller having rumble, and mentions nothing about future price drops. In fact the box shown in Sony's official press release shows only one controller: http://tinyurl.com/23lkrh

Would it be smart to drop the price once the 60Gb are gone, yes.
Would it be smart to include rumble in the SixAxis, yes.
Would it be smart to include a second controller, not so much as many people play alone and controller sales actually make Sony money.

Has Sony in any way said they would do any of those things, no.

80 gb has <70% BC, and what is wrong with making predictions on what Sony might (and probably will) do.


 You sure the BC isnt higher? I could have sworn that the PAL BC is like 95 - 98% now.


PAL BC is about 85% at the moment. If think they set a target of 95% for the end of the year. Both these figres include all 3 levels of BC (perfect, minor & noticable).