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halogamer1989 said:

We need more troops and I would even vouch for a national implementation of mandatory service for a short time like Israel or China.  What is to say we get attacked by a nation with an opportunity to call up over 10 million while we would have to draft untrained people and put them on the front after 2 weeks.  People need training and discipline today due to the corrosion of ethics and personal responsibilty.

I'm sorry, but it seems to me like you dont understand how the military works.10 million Chinese soldiers are no threat to the United States.  China could never get past our navy or air force, let alone have the logistical capacity to support that many troops away from their country.  Modern warfare is about technology, its not about shear numbers anymore, in fact its far from it.

 



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akuma587 said:
Jackson50 said:

I noticed there was mention of a strategy for Republican resurgence. As a Taft Republican, I would like to provide my input on this issue.

1) The Republicans must reinstate a policy of non-interventionism. Our constant meddling in other nation's affairs has earned our nation a tarnished reputation. We must again implement a strategy where military action is only used in cases of self-defense. We must also end our empire. We need to recall our troops from Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, and various other nations. We must end this foolishness of implementing a missile defense shield...especially in Europe.

2) Robert A. Taft once opposed the Nuremberg Trials because they violated the basic principles of American justice. As Republicans, we must be at the forefront of expanding civil liberties and civil rights as we once were. I would advocate the support of gay marriage. This would alienate the religious right...which is a good thing. We must end talk of expanding Guantanamo and secret prisons. We must not advocate denying prisoners the writ of habeas corpus and other such foolishness.

3) We need to again practice fiscal responsibility. If we are going to cut taxes, which we should do, we must also cut spending.

4) We must reinstate the policies of reduced government. During the Bush presidency, government has grown at alarming rates. We passed such foolish legislation as the NCLB Act of 2001.

There are other issues I could address, but those are some of the most pertinent. As it currently stands, the GOP is moving further away from where it once stood. It appears as if I will be voting Libertarian for many more years.

1) Hell yeah!

2) Hell yeah!

3) Hell yeah!

4) This is the only one I partially disagree on.  I think the military is bloated, and am all for say private firms evaluating the efficiency of governments, but state governments have actually become way more bloated than the federal government. 

(I really want to show you some figures on this, but I can't find any off hand.  One of my government textbooks had a really interesting analysis of the growth of federal vs. state governments.  The growth of state governments particularly after Reagan has far outpaced the federal government, which when measured against the total US population growth has shrunk to some degree since a few decades earlier).

 

See I agree with his 2-4 disagreeing with 1.

Intervention isn't what gives us a bad name.  It's stupid intervention.

Clinton's wars never really got much bad world press.

If we sent troops to Darfur to stop the genocide we'd likely get applauded for doing something nobody else would do because of the lack of gain for them.

etc.

Intervention is fine.  It just needs to be intervention that makes sense... that promotes global justice in a smart way... that is bottom up.  Not just picking random middle countries like Iraq that can be seen as chosen for American interests.

(Yeah cause America's really benefited.)



If McCain doesn't deal a knockout blow tonight, (or maybe in the next debate) he's pretty much screwed.



Agreed Sam.



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Kasz216 said:

See I agree with his 2-4 disagreeing with 1.

Intervention isn't what gives us a bad name.  It's stupid intervention.

Clinton's wars never really got much bad world press.

If we sent troops to Darfur to stop the genocide we'd likely get applauded for doing something nobody else would do because of the lack of gain for them.

etc.

Intervention is fine.  It just needs to be intervention that makes sense... that promotes global justice in a smart way... that is bottom up.  Not just picking random middle countries like Iraq that can be seen as chosen for American interests.

(Yeah cause America's really benefited.)

I do not oppose interventions solely because they tarnish our reputation. I also oppose them because it is not our job to intervene.  

 



fkusumot said:
halogamer1989 said:
Final-Fan said:
So what branch of the military did you join, HG1989?

None so far but likely Army or AF after college for CO rank.  My uncle was a Marine and my sister's dad was on Seal Team 6 with covert operations in Grenada, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Panama, and other spec ops that are still classified Level 5, I think.

edit: My great-grandfather was a CB in the European theater of WWII; my grandfather fought in Korea (that is why I take these jests at me seriously); my father was in the Army Reserve and almost given the green light for Iranian invasion which he said he had about 30 seconds to live upon drop.

Not much of a family history in the military then, eh?

You're not really that serious about it if you aren't already in ROTC. Get with the program!

My generation of my family is the first one in a long time, I think, to not have someone serve in the military.  My dad was in the Navy in Vietnam, his dad was in the Navy in WWII, and SOMEONE was in the Spanish-American War because my family still has what looks to me like a cavalry sword.  I don't know about WWI.  



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Jackson50 said:
Kasz216 said:

See I agree with his 2-4 disagreeing with 1.

Intervention isn't what gives us a bad name.  It's stupid intervention.

Clinton's wars never really got much bad world press.

If we sent troops to Darfur to stop the genocide we'd likely get applauded for doing something nobody else would do because of the lack of gain for them.

etc.

Intervention is fine.  It just needs to be intervention that makes sense... that promotes global justice in a smart way... that is bottom up.  Not just picking random middle countries like Iraq that can be seen as chosen for American interests.

(Yeah cause America's really benefited.)

I do not oppose interventions solely because they tarnish our reputation. I also oppose them because it is not our job to intervene.  

I disagree with isolationism.  Aside from the fact that I believe it's bad for us in the long term, I don't think it's even possible to be truly isolationist in today's globalized economy.  Therefore we have interests abroad and it would be foolish to not defend them.  



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I have never advocated isolationism. I advocate non-interventionism. I have always advocated free trade and free cultural exchange. These two areas helped build the US into a soft-power superpower. Unfortunately, our interventionist policies in conflicts and other nation’s affairs has damaged our reputation abroad and has cost us too much “blood and treasure.” 



Sam Yikin said:
If McCain doesn't deal a knockout blow tonight, (or maybe in the next debate) he's pretty much screwed.

I rest my case. +1 for Yoda.