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megaman79 said:
Look all that matters is Sony is better than MS. Thats all that matters

lolll. I megaman2 approve of this message

 



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The Wii's price point is a big part of it's success but the most important factor is the Wii's ability to apeal to various demographics ( demographics which happen to include and be bigger than the tradional gamer).

Price point is like a barrier to the product so the higher the price point is the bigger the barrier becomes , the barrier for the Wii is really low but that doesn't matter as much because it has experienced strong demand from the start.

In my personal opinion the PS3 barrier was too high for the consumer to make the leap regardless of how much they wanted too , even the Wii wouldn't have survived a $600 price point.


Edit : answering "If" questions is fruitless because most of the time it ends in flames.




trestres said:
Lol ROFL!!!!!!!!!

Q1) PS3 at 200 dollars in Japan, 250 in the rest of the world? LOL, it's incredible how blind fanboyism is corrupting a lot of people. This isn't even a possibility for the next 3 years I'd say, do you have an idea of the financial hit that Sony would have taken. Plus I think the Wii would have sold more anyways.

I agree

also that question is like saying

Would a Ferrari sell more than a Honda Civic if it was priced the same

BAsically there is no point to the question

 



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

Sony gambled and I think it paid off.

If they would have released the system early it would have had hardware issues like the 360, and probobly no blu ray drive.

The Wii appeals to casual and younger players, so they still would have lost that market.

I think Sony learned alot this generation about the importance of PRICE, LAUNCH GAMES, PSN, and RUMBLE. They also won the HD format war, which will help them with the next generation of consoles.



Price doesn't matter. When r u going to understand that. If priced identically with identical motion sensing controllers then, even then i think Nintendo's experience and built in audience would have given then the same market share advantage.

With the controllers both have now? Take a guess, no one cares about PS3 controllers.

PS3 is too expensive, the BR was a bad idea and even with that extra year how much would Sony have dropped the price? not much im guessing due to there being no competing next gen system and the manufacturing cost.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

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I think this thread sums up everything you're trying to say just fine (links to all the stories in the actual thread).

The Sony Disappointment Timelinel


We all know Sony has been taking a lot of bad press from the PS3, but lets take a look back at the year that has lead us to the Nov. 17th release date.

First, we start with Sony itself. Yes, I was going to only make a timeline of the PS3 news, but how can you ignore this arrogance from late 2005?

Nov 10th, 2005 - Sony is caught hiding a rootkit inside music CD's that place a virus on users computer. Sony's Tom Hesse defends the decision by stating that people don't know what it is, so they shouldn't care
January 2007 - Sony, Busted Again!

Now that we know Sony cares about us, lets move on to the PS3...

Feb 27th, 2006 - Sony misses it's Spring launch date
May 5th, 2006 - SCEE CEO David Reeves: "It doesn't really matter what ships at launch." "The first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games,"
May 8th, 2006 - Sony holds it's E3 conference announcing the pricing of the PS3 at $600/$500
May 8th, 2006 - New PS3 controller will have six degrees of motion, but no rumble feature. Sony's Phil Harrison states that rumble was last gen and no longer needed.
May 17th, 2006 - Kutaragi: PlayStation 3 is "too cheap"
May 31st, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison denies copying the Wiimote and states that the PS3 will replace the PC
Sep 5th, 2006 - Gamers looking to get the best picture out of Sony's premium PlayStation 3 package will need to shell out extra for proper hookups.
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 is delayed in Europe until March 2007
Sept 6th, 2006 - PS3 launch shipment is cut from 2 million to 400,000 in the US (100,000 to Japan)
Sept 8th, 2006 - Sony's President admits that the company's hardware is in a current state of decline
Sept 26th, 2006 - PS3 first-party titles announced to be the same price as third party titles, at $59.99
Sept 26th, 2006 - Square Enix will not exclusively support Sony's PS3 as much as they did with the PS2.
Sept 29th, 2006 - Sony's President Ken Kutaragi states that his company does not care about the Xbox 360 and Wii competition.
October 12th, 2006 - Sony Exec calls the 360 and Wii "too expensive"
October 19th, 2006 - The infamous spec sheet comparison and how Sony claims the Xbox 360 requires HD-DVD to play games
October 20th, 2006 - Announced that Sony may have to replace your PS3 controller for you after it no longer holds charge
October 24th, 2006 - Sony sinks Lik-Sang
October 26th, 2006 - Sony's Q2 profits decrease by 94%
October 28th, 2006 - Sony president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120fps
October 30th, 2006 - PS3 will push Sony $1.71 billion into the red
October 31st, 2006 - Japan launch of the PS3 is cut to 80,000 units
Nov 8th, 2006 - Sony ships without update. You must update your PS3 out of the box in order to use PlayStation Network
Nov 9th, 2006 - NBA Live 2007 is cancelled on the PS3
Nov 9th, 2006 - Oblivion is pushed back from launch title to Jan 2007
Nov 10th, 2006 - Sony's Phil Harrison states that he can no longer confirm a March 2007 launch for Europe
Nov 11th, 2006 - PS3 launches in Japan and rewards few
Nov 11th, 2006 - Sony unprepared for Japan launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - Sony will miss 400,000 unit target for the US. Approx 150k to 200k will be shipped for launch
Nov 14th, 2006 - PS3 has backwards compatibility problems
Nov 16th, 2006 - PS3 downscales 720p games instead of upscaling to 1080i
Nov 16th, 2006 - Sony's Jack Tretton comments on the PS3 BC problems and states that the Wii has 0 backwards compatibility
Nov 20, 2006 - NYT not impressed with PS3
Nov 20, 2006 - Game Devs Prefer 360
Nov 20, 2006 - PS3 annoys Joystiq
Nov 21, 2006 - PS3, PSP Rainbow Six held till '07
Nov 23, 2006 - Saving Sony, one console at a time
Nov 25, 2006 - Sony retracts 1080i fix statement, leaving customers in lurch.
Nov 26, 2006 - More PS3 exclusives head to 360
Nov 26, 2006 - Bloomberg: Sony missed PS3 ship targets
Nov 30, 2006 - Sony shuffles senior execs
Nov 30, 2006 - Analyst: "I cannot imagine a PlayStation 4"
Dec 4, 2006 - Sony Australia: Wii "More Fun" than PS3
Dec 8, 2006 - Court rules for Immersion; Sony to pay up
Dec 11, 2006 - Industry watchers weigh in on "record-low tie ratios" for Wii and PS3 and other results from the month of the new systems' debut.
Dec 13, 2006 - Sony Admits Launching Fake Blog to Promote PSP
Dec 19, 2006 - Time says PS3 was a bust
Dec 20, 2006 - PC World Calls PS3 a top tech mistake of 2006
Dec 20, 2006 - Forced bundles and high retail price put consumers off, claims tracking firm.
Dec 21, 2006 - Virtua Fighter 5 dukes it out on Xbox 360
Dec 21, 2006 - Sony files patent for wiimote style hand-held controler
Dec 27, 2006 - PS3 Greymarket Watch: Scalpers Returning PS3s Back To Stores.
Dec 27, 2006 - Gamers who queued for days to buy Sony's PS3 are frantically trying to trade them for the much cheaper Wii.
Dec 28, 2006 - Sony's PS3: High-Scorer No More
Jan 4, 2007 - Sony spokesman David Karraker: "Everything that we put on store shelves sold out,"
Jan 4, 2007 - SCEA confirmed that there would be no supported force feedback technology with its PlayStation 3
Jan 8, 2007 - PS3 demand slows, stores stocked aplenty
Jan 9, 2007 - Sony Misses Worldwide PS3 Shipment Targets. They shiped a million in the US, but not in Japan.
Jan 10, 2007 - Motorstorm isn't going to be running in 1080p at 60FPS, despite Sony VP of Marketing David Dille saying this week that it would.
Jan 10, 2007 - Senior VP of Marketing Peter Dille: Every Sunday in the paper, there's a new deal with a free controller or a free game or $100 off all discounting the 360. I don't think you take those measures if you're selling as expected. (see Jan 13, 2007 entry)
Jan 11, 2007 - Analyst: Lagging PS3 Sales 'Troubling'
Jan 11, 2007 - ArsTechnica slams "misleading" Sony
Jan 13, 2007 - EB offers a deal, trade in your PS2, cables, a second controller and a memory card, to get $100 off a PS3, in what people assume is an attempt to actually move PS3 units.
Jan 15, 2007 - Analyst: Sony missing sales goals by 25%?
Jan 15, 2007 - Valve Software's chief Gabe Newell says PS3 a "total disaster on so many levels"
Jan 15, 2007 - PS3 sales figures 'not good' - IDC "Sony needs more must-have first-party titles to sell consoles"
Jan 17, 2007 - Sony CEO Howard Stringer: PS3 Only Using 20-25% of its Power
Jan 25, 2007 - Sony Uses PGR3 Screenshot to Promote Gran Turismo HD
Jan 26, 2007 - PS3: Now $50 More Expensive in Canada
Jan 26, 2007 - Epic Games' once-PC-and-PS3-exclusive shooter is now headed to Microsoft's new console with a slightly tweaked title, Unreal Tournament III.
Jan 29, 2007 - Sony Corp. may report third-quarter profit fell 50 percent after its flagship PlayStation 3 lost market share to Nintendo's Wii.
Jan 29, 2007 - Sony calls on Ken to save PS3
Jan 29, 2007 - Tetsuya Nomura, designer of FFXIII, has confirmed that Final Fantasy will not debut on the PS3 until 2008.
Jan 29, 2007 - Nvidia Shares Affected by Weaker Playstation 3 Demand
Jan 30, 2007 - Sony blamed the launching costs of its PlayStation 3 game console for much of the 5 percent drop in group net profit for the last three months of 2006
Jan 31, 2007 - SCEA spokesman David Karraker:"Nintendo's new console doesn't belong in the same category as the PlayStation 3." "Sony was selling out shipments of 100,000 PS3s in the US every week"




While it's not all of Sony's fault, they have done little to apologize for their delays and arrogant statements. It's a bad trend that they've started, and the more they continue the more we'll be seeing article after article on Gamespot.....day after day about something else they've done to flaw the PS3's image.

I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of flaming cow responses, but hey that's expected. I can understand their crankiness b/c I know I'd hate to be in their shoes atm. Hopefully Sony will have some sort of eye-opener to the amount of distaste they've started among gaming consumers, and will get back to what they used to do best.



Right on! Get me my bingo board.

Sony PS3 wouldn't be a Sony PS3, if they had done everything you're saying. What caused Sony PS3 delays, was a miscalculation considering the tech when they started to build the hardware, ie Sony propably thought the tech would have been ready by then. Sony was aiming the Sony PS3 launch to 2005, but Blu-Ray and Cell weren't ready by then. So instead of Sony PS3, we would have Sony PS2,5 (although, that would have been more profitable for Sony).

As for the price, Sony PS3 would propably had sold better, if it had been cheaper, since price doesn't work as a factor that gets people buy the product, but it can work as a factor that turns people off from it. Besides, again, if Sony PS3 would have been cheaper, it wouldn't be the Sony PS3 as we know it.
As for what drives Wii sales, go back to 2006 and look at the lines, people were waiting in line for hours to get to try the Wii, while lines for the Sony PS3 were just some minutes, and the price to play both were the same (or actually bigger for Wii, since you had to invest so much time for waiting for a hands-on).



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Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Theres a lot of things that you say that they should have done but couldn't. For example if they were going to get to the market first, would their box still be the same? Would there be a difference in the format war and would they have had Blue Ray?

You wanted them to sell their hardware at a profit right out of the gate. Well lets see they would either have to A: Take a lot of the features out to reduce production costs. Original productions costs were projected at 800+ USD so thats a lot of cutting to do. Or they could do B: Wait a couple of years and keep coasting along with the PS2 which wouldnt be a good idea IMO.

Now your 2 "what if" statements.

Q1: That would depend on what features your PS3 had. If it had the same features as it does now but was priced at 250 it would probably sell more but at the same time we could say goodbye to Sony's warchest and possibly the company. A 550 USD loss (at least) per console would bankrupt the company if they kept up with demand. And lets face it who wouldn't buy a 250 USD PS3 2 years ago? The point is the Wii and PS3 would have never launched at the same price and they never will be at the same price when sales for this gen are at any moment of importance.

Q2: What expense of the PS3s features would happen if it did release 1 year earlier than the 360? And are you assuming that the PS3 released in 2005 and the 360 released in 2006 or....?

This entire post is littered with what ifs that make each other pointless and unachievable. IDK wth you were thinking when you wrote this but logic is absent from it. It sounds more like an opportunity to troll the RROD (which that paragraph has a lot of flaws in it as well) than it is to promote any type of logical discussion. The PS3 is doing fine now, the past is over. 



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Accually, sony said that the PS3 launch sold more PS3 in that day then the PS2 launch.