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http://www.gamespot.com/news/6197254.html
* By Tom Magrino, GameSpot
* Posted Sep 4, 2008 3:45 pm PT
Industry watchers agree that Microsoft stands to regain ground thanks to cross-SKU cuts, with Nintendo and Sony unlikely to counter. Yesterday, Microsoft officially confirmed that the long-rumored Xbox 360 price drop first announced in Japan would extend to North American gamers as well.

As of September 5, Microsoft's Elite 120GB Xbox 360 SKU will drop $80 to $399, with the 60GB Pro and the hard-drive-less Arcade following in line at respective $100 intervals. The latter SKU is of particular note, as it will effectively give Microsoft the cheapest current-gen console on the market--$50 less than current market leader, the Nintendo Wii. The price drop is sure to have an impact on the gaming industry, but just how much has yet to be seen. If there's anything that industry watchers seem to be in agreement upon, it's that the cut will shift momentum back into Microsoft's corner and that Sony and Nintendo aren't likely to counter the potentially game-changing move with price cuts of their own.

Electronic Entertainment Design and Research analyst Jesse Divnich told GameSpot that Microsoft's $199 SKU puts the company in prime position to halt Sony's surging PlayStation 3. "Microsoft has the industry's best exclusive licenses, such as Halo, Gears of War, and Fable," noted Divnich. "In terms of software, Sony has Resistance and LittleBigPlanet, which can't compare to Gears and Fable 2. So with Microsoft beating Sony on pricing, beating them on library, and beating them on services with Xbox Live, the price cut should shift momentum back to the 360," asserted Divnich. The EEDR analyst also believes that Microsoft has a lot riding on this drop, especially if it doesn't spark momentum. He cautioned, "It may force them to release hardware before they plan. We probably won't see next-gen [consoles] until 2012, but if this plan fails, they may be forced to release in 2011."

With Sony reiterating on several occasions that the PlayStation 3's price will remain fixed in 2008, Divnich joined a chorus of other industry analysts in saying that Microsoft's archrival isn't likely to respond. "Sony has been adamant for the last six months about maintaining its price point," noted Divnich. "This is risky, but Sony just isn't where they need to be in terms of manufacturing efficiency to drop price." Echoing Divnich's sentiments, USB Ben Schachter noted, "We believe any cut from Microsoft aims to slow Sony's momentum before first-party PS3 releases in [the second half of 2008] such as LittleBigPlanet, Resistance 2, SOCOM, and others...Sony is unlikely to cut in response, though, in the unlikely event that PS3 sales significantly slow, Sony might have to reassess." Stating that he also expects Sony and Nintendo to stick to their guns, Lazard Capital Markets' Colin Sebastian turned to what Microsoft stands to gain from broaching the $200 threshold. "Our analysis of historical console sales in the U.S. suggests that price points below $200 can be an inflection point in sales, with appeal to a mass market audience," observed Sebastian.

The analyst then demonstrated via bar graph that the PlayStation 2 had its best single-year performance after Sony reduced the console's North American price to $199 in May 2002, helping rack up nearly 12 million system sales for the year. Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter believes Microsoft stands to see as much as a 20 percent bump in hardware sales this holiday season as a result of the price cut, assuming the hardware maker markets the drop effectively. "They are certainly going for a piece of the mass market, and seem to have focused on the Arcade model as the central SKU," he observed.

 

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i think resistance and LBP can compete with gears and fable



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woopah said:
i think resistance and LBP can compete with gears and fable

 

uum no i dont think so gears will sell millions a millions in america and no game will get closes in na this holiday season, but lbp and fable could be close sales wise worldwide but not america (fable will outsell it by alot in na )





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woopah said:
i think resistance and LBP can compete with gears and fable

Possibly. But a $400 PS3 can't compete with a $200 Xbox 360. That's where the battle lies - in increasing the userbase.

Plus, I don't really see Resistance selling more than 6m copies to match, or beat Gears...LBP and Fable are a tossup, although I don't "get" the LBP hype.

 



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mrstickball said:
woopah said:
i think resistance and LBP can compete with gears and fable

Possibly. But a $400 PS3 can't compete with a $200 Xbox 360. That's where the battle lies - in increasing the userbase.

Plus, I don't really see Resistance selling more than 6m copies to match, or beat Gears...LBP and Fable are a tossup, although I don't "get" the LBP hype.

 

400$ includes a 80gb harddrive, blu ray, wifi, and a better quality machine.

that the 360 don't have.

if you add the HDD and wifi on the arcade its already more expensive than the ps3.

watch the developer talks if you don't get the game if that game doens't put a smile on your face there is nothing more  i can say to convince you since i certainly be wasting my time.



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Jo21 said:
mrstickball said:
woopah said:
i think resistance and LBP can compete with gears and fable

Possibly. But a $400 PS3 can't compete with a $200 Xbox 360. That's where the battle lies - in increasing the userbase.

Plus, I don't really see Resistance selling more than 6m copies to match, or beat Gears...LBP and Fable are a tossup, although I don't "get" the LBP hype.

 

400$ includes a 80gb harddrive, blu ray, wifi, and a better quality machine.

that the 360 don't have.

if you add the HDD and wifi on the arcade its already more expensive than the ps3.

watch the developer talks if you don't get the game if that game doens't put a smile on your face there is nothing more  i can say to convince you since i certainly be wasting my time.

And how much of that do you need to play Gears, LBP, Fable 2, or Resistance?

Answer: You still pay $400 to play LBP or Resistance 2..Or $200 for Gears and Fable 2. You don't need Wifi, a 80GB HDD

I don't think the consumer is really going to look and say "OMG! 80 extra gigs and wifi for ONLY $200! How can I lose?!?!?!"

Consumers care about PRICE. If they cared about Wifi, Blu-Ray and a huge HDD, then why is the Wii selling more than the X360 and PS3 combined in many areas?

Again, and I'll keep saying it, during Christmas, what looks better? A $200, or $400 system? Not everyone cares about bells and whistles, and wants basic next-gen preformance for the games.

 



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mrstickball, with such an attractive price, do you think now MS really has a chance at remaining in 2nd place worldwide till at least the end of 2010?



The Bestbuy next to me sold all the arcades ....42total i wanted a new one at this price for the basement ..



mrstickball said:
Jo21 said:
mrstickball said:
woopah said:
i think resistance and LBP can compete with gears and fable

Possibly. But a $400 PS3 can't compete with a $200 Xbox 360. That's where the battle lies - in increasing the userbase.

Plus, I don't really see Resistance selling more than 6m copies to match, or beat Gears...LBP and Fable are a tossup, although I don't "get" the LBP hype.

 

400$ includes a 80gb harddrive, blu ray, wifi, and a better quality machine.

that the 360 don't have.

if you add the HDD and wifi on the arcade its already more expensive than the ps3.

watch the developer talks if you don't get the game if that game doens't put a smile on your face there is nothing more  i can say to convince you since i certainly be wasting my time.

And how much of that do you need to play Gears, LBP, Fable 2, or Resistance?

Answer: You still pay $400 to play LBP or Resistance 2..Or $200 for Gears and Fable 2. You don't need Wifi, a 80GB HDD

I don't think the consumer is really going to look and say "OMG! 80 extra gigs and wifi for ONLY $200! How can I lose?!?!?!"

Consumers care about PRICE. If they cared about Wifi, Blu-Ray and a huge HDD, then why is the Wii selling more than the X360 and PS3 combined in many areas?

Again, and I'll keep saying it, during Christmas, what looks better? A $200, or $400 system? Not everyone cares about bells and whistles, and wants basic next-gen preformance for the games.

 

people are willing to pay more to get more

it's not like u r buying something for 200000 when there's something for 100000

it's only 200

and the arcade can't play online right?

 



blackstar said:

people are willing to pay more to get more

it's not like u r buying something for 200000 when there's something for 100000

it's only 200

and the arcade can't play online right?

 

Nope. it can play online.

And I'd disagree with you about willing to pay more to get more: Fast food places are far more popular than fancy restaurants. Even then, dollar menus are more popular than standard fare at fast food places.

WalMarts and Dollar Stores are vastly larger than traditional places that don't focus on the "cheap" and "discount" structure of the price-concious retail store(s). If you believe consumers are willing to pay more to get more, then I don't think you have a grasp on the modern American life.

JGarret - I don't know. We'll find out this Christmas. Microsoft HAS to deal Sony a decicive blow in the US this holiday season to ensure they are 2nd place for quite some time in the future.

If Microsoft can win Holiday 2008 in the US by a large enough margin to keep it competitive with the Playstation 3 worldwide this holiday (ie, 1:1 sales WW), then I think Microsoft can stick it out long enough to stay in the 2nd spot until 2010 or 2011, and have a sucessor launched before the PS3 overtakes the X360.

 



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