Snap, you almost got pirate bingo!

Not stealing, it's just copying, might never have gotten the item...

You guys seriously have no concept of intellectual property, which is very real...in a sense.

There needs to be copyrights on digital information...some ideas, some products only exist on the internet, or in the digital realm, and there needs to be protection on those things.

Surely you don't think every single thing that exists on and for a computer should be 100% free?  Games costs loads of money to make, various programs take a ton to make and only ask for a little in return...shouldn't people have the right to charge for something digital if they want?  Maybe a freeware version will come up, and that's great...but some things simply require money to make and need to get their money back.

So when you say you're simply copying something, not stealing, you're correct, but it's a loss of potential money as you mentioned...and it doesn't bother you guys one bit that you're getting this thing for free? 

Some things (as I've stated on sooo many pirate threads) aren't a huge deal.  I don't care about music or some movies...but games are a big deal to me...and even the behemoth EA should get money for the good games, so they don't keep churning out the crap ones.

Medical marijuana is technically illegal, does that make it bad? Having sex in a position other than missionary is against the law in some states, does that make it bad? In some muslim countries it is a capital offense to be a lesbian or a homosexual, does that make it bad? Try another argument.

So let me get this straight:

• You're saying it's cool to take something without paying for it
• You're cool with taking money away from people that put years of their life into what you just took?

I completely agree that some laws are stupid, but that doesn't mean all laws are stupid.  According to your argument taking a gun and shooting babies should be fine since being a homosexual in some countries is against the law.

Completely irrelevant to this thread. If you must know, there are a few TV shows I really enjoy but I don't have cable, and even if i did, I simply can't stand commercials. No, i'm not buying them off Itunes.

My roommate grabbed this game last night and I watched him play a little this morning. It looks f'n awesome, he just got it to hold him off until it actually comes out in stores (he's buying it day 1).  Pretty cool game, can't wait to get some time with it tonight.

I'm pretty sure that if you download software of a pirate torrent website you can't legally have much expectations of it being malware free...

So you would have a tough time suing someone if that software actually harmed your computer.............

PS : It's like stealing a car and then sue the car-maker because you get in a car accident with it....... Maybe there is a one chance in a million you will win your lawsuit but no matter what you will still go to jail for admitting having stolen the car :P

hmm it's quite cool, just played it !

(i was going to buy it anyways)

I wasnt talking about piracy, i was talking about your argument against piracy. Pick a better argument, that's all i am saying.

For example: Piracy is bad because it is illegal. That's a bad argument

Piracy is bad because it takes away money from developers. That's a good argument.

Oh, and good luck with the evil code inside the pirated version of the game. I only download my games from trackers and hacker groups that i trust. Plus, on the internet it will not take long to figure out who exactly is leaking the game with a bad code.

Because it's easy.

Taping songs off of the radio isn't illegal... nor was making mix tapes out of tapes you already had.

The difference was... it was a bitch to pull off.  It was a lot of work.  Stuff like this is only now illegal because it's so easy. 

A lot of people see a disconnect there and don't think it being easier now is a good enough reason for it to be illegal.

As for your shooting babys arguement.... that seems odd coming from the guy suggesting something else illegal to get back at the original illegal people.

For example.... beating up people who sleep in the park.

I'm just pointing out that your counterargument is silly.

This is what your argument says: since one law is against something that is not wrong, all laws must be against something that is not wrong.

I provided something that wasn't in that set therefore your law doesn't work.  I wasn't saying piracy was bad because it's illegal, I'm just asking him why it is illegal.