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Final-Fan on 30 August 2008

@ the OP:  Absolutely not.  MS has done a lot of things right with the 360, but a lot of things have also gone hideously wrong. 

--A big part of its success was the year-long head start over the competition, but that came at the cost of tragic hardware flaws the like of which have not been seen in this industry for decades if indeed EVER. 
--MS has spent a lot of effort on getting a variety of games onto its system (after the first year) ... for definitions of "effort" that include "massive moneyhatting".  I don't understand how this is so superior to Sony's price cuts and actual game development. 
--The "global ceiling" argument is only true if you mean "Japanese ceiling".  The Xbox not only outsold the Gamecube in Europe (by a bigger ratio than it did in NA), but beat the N64's numbers as well there.  Impressive considering the N64 sold 8 million more globally, and 4 million more in NA. 
--While it's true that "Sony was very arrogant at the beginning of this gen", I don't think an MS advocate ought to be throwing stones, considering their denial of any significant hardware problems in the 360 until class-action lawsuits were on the radar screen. 

I think that the 360 has gotten at least as much success as it deserves.  Maybe it's taken blame it doesn't deserve and gotten away with things it shouldn't have ... but I think it more or less evens out.



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blizzid on 30 August 2008

As much as I like my 360, the RRoD was a serious issue that never should have happened. Personally I've never had any issues with mine, but given the reports, it seems almost certain that it will break eventually. Microsoft was also slow in acknowledging the problem and moving to extend the warranty. They've also been too slow to drop the price; although $400 was a completely reasonable launch price, $350 today makes it difficult to recommend the system to anyone but a hardcore gamer. The upcoming price cuts can't come soon enough. Finally, many accessories are too expensive. I appreciate the fact that certain things aren't built-in: why pay extra for wireless if you're going to use an ethernet cable? Why pay extra for a rechargeable battery pack if you already own rechargeable batteries? At $100 for the wireless adapter though, I'd feel ripped off if I was in a situation where wireless was the only convenient option.

All that said, I still think Sony was worse. The way I saw their launch was this: "Yeah, we're obscenely expensive. We have no games. Our architecture is a nightmare to develop for. Our development tools are terrible. It doesn't matter; we're Sony. Everyone will ignore our competitors and do whatever they have to do to buy our console. Third-party developers will suck it up and support us exclusively. Damn, it's good to be the king." They've improved since then, but every penny they've lost on the PS3 was well deserved.



stellabelg on 30 August 2008
Stan85 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
danielhiru said:
Shadowblind said:

They did half of it to themselves; rushing it out the door causing RROD, releasing half they're exclusives on PC, getting a bad image too early(shootbox 360), and really having no single amazing feature as the other companies built straight in to the console. Other then those 3 things, I can't understand why they haven't been selling multitudes more. They say the PS2 won by its games catalog; why isn't the same effect happening for the 360?


Personally, I wouldn't care less about the console war if Microsoft wasn't being so fervent about it. I'm afraid that they might lose hope in their abilities and we won't see an Xbo 720...Thats why I'm such an upstart 360 fan. I don't want them gone after the amazing games they've given me.

How many of those amaizing games did MS developed? if MS was gone all of those games would've ended on the PC or PS3, the diference i see between the big 3 is that Sony and Nintendo have the best first party games/internal studios.

 

 

 IF MS didn't exist, Sony would suck at online and wouldn't target the FPS fanbase, nor would they have increased the power of their system.

If MS didn`t exist,you would still be paing 600$ for your Blue Ray player that also plays games,still waiting for your games to come and receiving an average online experience. So say "thank you MS" and enjoy your system. I am doing that and so sould you

 

+ Their would probably less games on it some devs port also games to PS3.  Otherwise it would also have a bigger install base and attract more devs.

 



Bitmap Frogs on 30 August 2008

The sheer gaming prowess of the X360 is unmatched - that was enough to deserve my sale. Can't speak for the rest of the market =/





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montrealsoon on 30 August 2008
Final-Fan said:

@ the OP:  Absolutely not.  MS has done a lot of things right with the 360, but a lot of things have also gone hideously wrong. 

--While it's true that "Sony was very arrogant at the beginning of this gen", I don't think an MS advocate ought to be throwing stones, considering their denial of any significant hardware problems in the 360 until class-action lawsuits were on the radar screen.

 

The image that strikes me is while J Allard was making bets with N'Gai Croal against Sony's PSP manufacturing abilities (something Allard had no control over), his company was in the process of manufacturing massive quantities of faulty 360's (something Allard had entire control over).

 

By the way, he lost the bet.

 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 30 August 2008
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Reasonable said:
No. I do appreciate the effort they put in for games - although I don't agree with their approach in some cases. But RROD was the result of rushing to market, plain and simple. MS may be used to patching SW, but HW should be built better than they built the 360 and I'm not willing to accept a high failure rate because MS felt it suited them to get to market first.

Hypothetically if they had no RROD they I would say 360 would have deserved better sales - I know I would have probably bought one if i t hadn't been for RROD (well, and how noisy the first batch seemed - I don't know if its quieter now but when I heard one and saw the power brick, then heard about RROD my decision to get one was swiftly reversed).

I think its sold pretty much what it deserves - and to who it appeals to and who is willing to accept the RROD issue.

 

 As I said, patched with a 3 year warranty and a new Xbox with a falcon chip.

lol - A three year warranty is unheard of. That's ridiculous for ANY console to have to be kept secured to a warranty for that long. That just about shows no faith in your product

 

I have a warranty about as long as that at Best Buy on my 360. You should know this if you have a 360.

 



S.T.A.G.E. on 30 August 2008
Jo21 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Reasonable said:
No. I do appreciate the effort they put in for games - although I don't agree with their approach in some cases. But RROD was the result of rushing to market, plain and simple. MS may be used to patching SW, but HW should be built better than they built the 360 and I'm not willing to accept a high failure rate because MS felt it suited them to get to market first.

Hypothetically if they had no RROD they I would say 360 would have deserved better sales - I know I would have probably bought one if it hadn't been for RROD (well, and how noisy the first batch seemed - I don't know if its quieter now but when I heard one and saw the power brick, then heard about RROD my decision to get one was swiftly reversed).

I think its sold pretty much what it deserves - and to who it appeals to and who is willing to accept the RROD issue.

 

 As I said, patched with a 3 year warranty and a new Xbox with a falcon chip.

patched, as in falcon still have over 10%, well 3 years warranty, after those 3 years then what? no more 360.

*goes play with his nes*

 

 

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halogamer1989 on 30 August 2008

Yes, but MSFT is hated too much around the world. I feel that they will achieve a "third time's the charm" next-gen.



Commando on 30 August 2008

Yes I do!



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Legend11 on 30 August 2008

I think the RROD problem is to blame for the 360 not having the sales it deserves. In my opinion is likely caused Microsoft to have to put off at least one price drop because of the costs of honoring warranties on their older systems. It also caused severe damage to the console's reputation that has likely cost it sales in the millions as well.

With that being said I feel that the PS3 doesn't deserve its sales because all of its mistakes were made on purpose months/years before the system was released. The RROD on the other hand I can only assume Microsoft wasn't aware of the problem or at the very least not of the problem's size.