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MontanaHatchet said:
If we're arguing about the greatest president of all time, I'd like to throw in a ballot for Andrew Jackson and Calvin Coolidge.

 

Can I throw William Harrison in that hat?

I give that post a 9.6.



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ManusJustus said:
Profcrab said:
ManusJustus said:
rocketpig said:

Yes, it shows my lack of understanding. JFK saved the world by ending a pissing contest that no one would have started because of assured mutual destruction.

That ranks way higher than the Great Depression, WWII, or the myriad of other problems this country has faced.

 

 

I agree that it shows your lack of understanding.  All the top American leaders, except JFK, wanted a naval blockade and airstrikes into Cuba, which would have most likely caused the Soviets to answer back.  Read more about the politics of the Cuban Missile Crisis, specifically the stances of Americas decision makers at that time, to further your understanding of the topic.

 

Oh, I agree, we have to look no farther than Iraq to find JFK's wonderful achievements.

I give that post a 9.2.

Replace SCUD missiles with Soviet nuclear missiles for a better comparison.

 

No.  He means Kennedy's genocide in Iraq.  Where he gave the Baath party...(Sadam hussein's party) a list that let them kill anyone who was suspected to be a communist or even somewhat left wing.

Basically killing, who knows how many people... a lot of which being the doctors and teachers and such.

He also gave them the weapons to do it... but the list was the big thing.

Looks like your the one that needs to do more reading up on Kennedy.  Not Rocketpig.

 



Kasz216 said:

They don't teach about Kennedy causing the genocide in Iraq in geopolitcal science class... because teachers like Kennedy.

He wouldn't know anything about that based off of just one course rather then actually learning about the presidents and there entire terms.

 

The rule of thumb for academia is hot topics are taught and cold topics are not.  Iraq wasn't that big a deal when I took geopolitics 515 (its been a while), we hit more on the Cold War, European politics, and stuff like that.  If you took the same class today, I bet that Iraq's political history would be a main topic.



ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

They don't teach about Kennedy causing the genocide in Iraq in geopolitcal science class... because teachers like Kennedy.

He wouldn't know anything about that based off of just one course rather then actually learning about the presidents and there entire terms.

 

The rule of thumb for academia is hot topics are taught and cold topics are not.  Iraq wasn't that big a deal when I took geopolitics 515 (its been a while), we hit more on the Cold War, European politics, and stuff like that.  If you took the same class today, I bet that Iraq's political history would be a main topic.

I think the lesson is... just because you took a couple politcal classes doesn't mean you know what your talking about.  You are focusing on one thing Kennedy did... and just about any president would of (Outside of like Bush, Buchanon and Pierce.) and called him one of the best.  Ignoring all the bad.

Kennedy is right on about level with Ronald Reagan.  Guys who did a some good things and some bad things in the cold war.  Nowhere near the few trandscendent presidents of our time.

Now do some reading on Teddy Roosevelt and you'll see why Kennedy doesn't come close.



ManusJustus said:
Profcrab said:
ManusJustus said:
rocketpig said:

Yes, it shows my lack of understanding. JFK saved the world by ending a pissing contest that no one would have started because of assured mutual destruction.

That ranks way higher than the Great Depression, WWII, or the myriad of other problems this country has faced.

 

 

I agree that it shows your lack of understanding.  All the top American leaders, except JFK, wanted a naval blockade and airstrikes into Cuba, which would have most likely caused the Soviets to answer back.  Read more about the politics of the Cuban Missile Crisis, specifically the stances of Americas decision makers at that time, to further your understanding of the topic.

 

Oh, I agree, we have to look no farther than Iraq to find JFK's wonderful achievements.

I give that post a 9.2.

Replace crappy Iraqi SCUD missiles with Soviet nuclear missiles for a better comparison.

 

 

No, dude, I am totally with you, entering America in to the war that fed Hollywood with material with some of the best war movies with 60's/70's soundtracks and setting up another country with a brutal dictator that we had later remove, all in the span of under 3 years, in no way makes one good decision look bad.  Even a blind dog sometimes fucks the right hole.

I give that post a 9.2.



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Kasz216 said:

No.  He means Kennedy's genocide in Iraq.  Where he gave the Baath party...(Sadam hussein's party) a list that let them kill anyone who was suspected to be a communist or even somewhat left wing. 

 

That is horrible.  And no I did not know that it was JFK.  Both the Soviet Union and America were funding these dictatorship regimes at this time though, which is relevant when we grade a president's legacy.  I was not as familiar with America's role in Iraq as I was in other, more known places and incidents, like Chile.

George Washington believed in slavery.  Abraham Lincoln believed that women shouldn't vote.  Even though these were horrible opinions, we dont hold this against these people because of the times.



Profcrab said:
ManusJustus said:
Profcrab said:
ManusJustus said:
rocketpig said:

Yes, it shows my lack of understanding. JFK saved the world by ending a pissing contest that no one would have started because of assured mutual destruction.

That ranks way higher than the Great Depression, WWII, or the myriad of other problems this country has faced.

 

 

I agree that it shows your lack of understanding.  All the top American leaders, except JFK, wanted a naval blockade and airstrikes into Cuba, which would have most likely caused the Soviets to answer back.  Read more about the politics of the Cuban Missile Crisis, specifically the stances of Americas decision makers at that time, to further your understanding of the topic.

 

Oh, I agree, we have to look no farther than Iraq to find JFK's wonderful achievements.

I give that post a 9.2.

Replace crappy Iraqi SCUD missiles with Soviet nuclear missiles for a better comparison.

 

 

No, dude, I am totally with you, entering America in to the war that fed Hollywood with some of the best war movies with 60's/70's soundtracks and setting up another country with a brutal dictator that we had later remove, all in the span of under 3 years, in no way makes one good decision look bad.  Even a blind dog sometimes fucks the right hole.

I give that post a 9.2.


Oh you didn't mean just the genocide.   You meant putting that guy in power too... yeah that was bad... and you could argue was the foundation and beginning that eventually led Sadam Hussein in power.



Kasz216 said:

I think the lesson is... just because you took a couple politcal classes doesn't mean you know what your talking about. 

And a degree.  I guess those dont get you very far either.  My friend has a degree which allows her to practice medicine, but just because you took a few medical classes doesnt mean you know what your talking about.

Remember your statement the next time someone puts you under the knife.

And are you the god of knowledge?  Perhaps you should give us instructions on how to praise you.



ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

No.  He means Kennedy's genocide in Iraq.  Where he gave the Baath party...(Sadam hussein's party) a list that let them kill anyone who was suspected to be a communist or even somewhat left wing. 

 

That is horrible.  And no I did not know that it was JFK.  Both the Soviet Union and America were funding these dictatorship regimes at this time though, which is relevant when we grade a president's legacy.  I was not as familiar with America's role in Iraq as I was in other, more known places and incidents, like Chile.

George Washington believed in slavery.  Abraham Lincoln believed that women shouldn't vote.  Even though these were horrible opinions, we dont hold this against these people because of the times.

George Washington had no avenue to stop slavery.

Abrham Lincoln had no avenue to allow universal sufferage.

Kennedy did not have to give the guy in iraq a list of names, a gun and a point in the right direction.

 



ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

I think the lesson is... just because you took a couple politcal classes doesn't mean you know what your talking about. 

And a degree.  I guess those dont get you very far either.  My friend has a degree which allows her to practice medicine, but just because you took a few medical classes doesnt mean you know what your talking about.

Remember your statement the next time someone puts you under the knife.

A doctorite degree?  In US political science?

Because the guys who do have those say Kennedy is nowhere near the top guys on the list.

In all reality, non degreed people who have actually researched these people on their own know more then you do about it.