Gnizmo said: What I find interesting is that the PS1 has more than both of them according to the data we have. Don't really know how to explain that one.

 

 It sold almost equally to Ps2, and has ~ 6% more software totally.

It's not really very odd.

 

ps2 sold 4 million more in Japan and it's still selling a bit though I doubt it will get any more million sellers. PS1 had many more million sellers, not only that but n64 had several million sellers and saturn had a few also. GC only had 1 and xbox had 0, so over the generation the amount of million sellers is far far less.

@aavidbacon: Damage control isn't something you should quit your dayjob for...

A) I don't know any system that would have used its full potential, so i don't know why you brought this up.
I wouldn't call Wii or DS games cheap, unless we compare them to the competition. And i wouldn't call Wii or DS games particularly easy, since they follow the general trend in the industry.

B) Especially DS can't be called "improvement to previous generation", since that title goes to PSP. Same goes for Wii, but only to lesser extent, in my opinion, while PS360 just improved from last gen.
They weren't designed like they are to get a low price (Wii, the most expensive Nintendo console so far), they were designed to make profit from day 1 and to disrupt the market with introducing new values.
We have 3 consoles in the current gen, that were dated specswise the day they came out.

It's propable that next gen we will 3 consoles that generate profit from HW too, instead of plain software, but as for the state-of-the-art hardware, if you play with consoles, you should get used to that they aren't never latest hardware.

bdbdbd said: @aavidbacon: Damage control isn't something you should quit your dayjob for... A) I don't know any system that would have used its full potential, so i don't know why you brought this up. I wouldn't call Wii or DS games cheap, unless we compare them to the competition. And i wouldn't call Wii or DS games particularly easy, since they follow the general trend in the industry. B) Especially DS can't be called "improvement to previous generation", since that title goes to PSP. Same goes for Wii, but only to lesser extent, in my opinion, while PS360 just improved from last gen. They weren't designed like they are to get a low price (Wii, the most expensive Nintendo console so far), they were designed to make profit from day 1 and to disrupt the market with introducing new values. We have 3 consoles in the current gen, that were dated specswise the day they came out. It's propable that next gen we will 3 consoles that generate profit from HW too, instead of plain software, but as for the state-of-the-art hardware, if you play with consoles, you should get used to that they aren't never latest hardware.

  When I say cheap, I say it compared to this gen, they are selling at ps2 lauching price, while ps3 is seling at $400 the chaeapest and x360 is only now bellow $299. This matters.  And wii sports and wii play are easy games, cause they are meant to be. It´s not a trend, cause you can´t compare the golf of wii sports with tiger woods of ps3 or x360, the gameplay is more difficult to handle. So that´s my fear, that because of the nintendo success, the other majors follows its strategy. I could be wrong, I hope I´m wrong actually. I hope there´s a niche distribution, with nintendo getting  the casual market and mS and sony the hardcore. Let´s wait for the next gen.This gen will be dominated by wii and ds, no doubt.And when I say a improvement to last gen, is compared to GC and and gameboy. Nintendo could have made a more powerful console, but they choose otherwise. They sure have the tecnology and capacity, but propably would be too costly. Good decision making. The problem cames if everybody choose this path. One of the main ps3 problems is the retrocompatibility, that only some models have, mainly cause of the price problem. Mine isn´t for example, a pity as I can´t play the 7 ps2 games I have. I imagine the drama for people who have 20 or more ps2 games.

ok i counted 35 PS1 million sellers in Japan compared to PS2s 18. PS1 sold 4 million less consoles too, it's probably gonna end up around 5 million behind. N64 also had 12 million sellers, and saturn had 1.

That makes for 48 million sellers in the ps1 gen vs. 19 million sellers during the ps2 generation. I'm sure you can find an obvious increase in handheld sales over the same period, but there is clearly not as many people playing consoles in Japan as there used to be. N64 sold 2/3 as many million sellers as PS2 with 1/5 the userbase

edit:  this gen we have 7 console million sellers, all on wii.

What was the console that sold the most million sellers in Japan?

johnsobas said: ok i counted 35 PS1 million sellers in Japan compared to PS2s 18. PS1 sold 4 million less consoles too, it's probably gonna end up around 5 million behind. N64 also had 12 million sellers, and saturn had 1. That makes for 48 million sellers in the ps1 gen vs. 19 million sellers during the ps2 generation. I'm sure you can find an obvious increase in handheld sales over the same period, but there is clearly not as many people playing consoles in Japan as there used to be. N64 sold 2/3 as many million sellers as PS2 with 1/5 the userbase

 

 That´s because ps2 got a better score outside japan, strangely enough. Check the database and you will see that worldwide ps2 has come with 195 million sellers, that´s quite a number. Don´t know if this gen is able too pull that. Individualyy, of course.

what do you mean by better score? The userbase is 4 million bigger for the ps2 in japan than the ps1 yet it can only get half the amount of million sellers. I'm talking about the Japan market not about how well the ps2 did outside of japan.

DS stands for Dominant Sales. No sales record is safe.

i'm sure ps1 has the record for most million sellers, i doubt the SNES got that many, probably slightly more than the ps2. What else is there? Game boy? I dunno if the DS can reach 35 that, it's gonna be close.