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Riachu on 21 August 2008
Squilliam said:
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JaggedSac said:
Reasonable said:
For MS, modest success but I don't believe it has (so far) been anything to get excited about.

However I'd say it's been mixed for the games. ToV would probably have sold more on another platform for example.

Realistically it hasn't yet made any great difference in Japan. Best result so far is a spike that briefly took 360 past the mediocre sales of PS3 and still left it miles behind Wii and potential console sales in the region.

Had MS secured FF as a true multi-platform with a Japan release I'd say a definite success, but without that I think the results will remain mixed at best in Japan, particularly as (belatedly) the PS3 starts to get its own RPGs out.

In US I'd say its had the most impact - but arguably that's where MS needs help the least.

 

Amazing analysis. The game would have sold better on a platform with a larger userbase. I wish I had some sort of prize for you.

 

That's not the point Mr Sac. The point is that without MS paying for it games like ToV wouldn't be exclusive as the install base doesn't warrant it, and with the small pike 360 got its not looking likely to gain enough Japanese install base to warrant other titles without paying for them either.

This nonetheless helps MS as they are looking for an improvement, but for the actual games they're selling less than their potential which I don't think is good.

Why not read in context rather than highlight something out of context?

 

You do realise theres a fairly decent JRPG fanbase in the U.S as well?

Furthermore it helps to win/keep the hardcore gamers who want a lot of different content for their systems.

Lastly JRPG games are a good synergy with the RPG fanbase which Microsoft seems intent on winning over at the moment.

 

The 360 pretty much won the RPG fanbase the minute FFXIII was announced for the platform

 



 

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mrstickball on 21 August 2008

Ookaze, and others that assume that JRPGs sell better on the Wii and PS3...Care to give a few examples?



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Squilliam on 21 August 2008
Riachu said:
Squilliam said:

You do realise theres a fairly decent JRPG fanbase in the U.S as well?

Furthermore it helps to win/keep the hardcore gamers who want a lot of different content for their systems.

Lastly JRPG games are a good synergy with the RPG fanbase which Microsoft seems intent on winning over at the moment.

 

The 360 pretty much won the RPG fanbase the minute FFXIII was announced for the platform

 

Hmmm then the RPG strategy = success. Their spending on all those Square Enix JRPGs probably sealed the deal to get FFXIII

 



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Riachu on 21 August 2008
mrstickball said:
Ookaze, and others that assume that JRPGs sell better on the Wii and PS3...Care to give a few examples?

No they can not until heavy hitters such as FFXIII and White Knight Chronicles some out

 



 

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heruamon on 21 August 2008

Ninja Gaiden 2 is not a RPG...I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion...even in the slightest...is DMC4 or GTA RPGs now?

Too Human is a failure?!?!...based on what...sales or options? Everything else on the list are solid hits, so it seems to given the know information, the strategy is a pretty resounding success...with HUGE titles still to come.



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Squilliam on 21 August 2008
mrstickball said:
Ookaze, and others that assume that JRPGs sell better on the Wii and PS3...Care to give a few examples?

So the highest selling JRPG on the Wii = 700k with a larger userbase and known IP, Dragon quest swords. Metacritic 66% Theres pretty much nothing else and the Tales game hasn't sold through yet.

The highest selling JRPG on the PS3 is Enchanted Arms - 150k Metacritic 64% (69% Xbox360)

The highest selling JRPGs on the Xbox360 are. Lost Odyssey - 800k Metacritic 78%, Blue Dragon 500k 79%, Eternal Sonata 270k 79%.

So far they have only sold on the Xbox360, I wonder if the Xbox360 has gathered a much higher percentage of JRPG fans in the west than the other two consoles? We will see I guess when Tales of Vesperia and Infinate undiscovery come out.

 



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Riachu on 21 August 2008
Squilliam said:
mrstickball said:
Ookaze, and others that assume that JRPGs sell better on the Wii and PS3...Care to give a few examples?

So the highest selling JRPG on the Wii = 700k with a larger userbase and known IP, Dragon quest swords. Metacritic 66% Theres pretty much nothing else and the Tales game hasn't sold through yet.

The highest selling JRPG on the PS3 is Enchanted Arms - 150k Metacritic 64% (69% Xbox360)

The highest selling JRPGs on the Xbox360 are. Lost Odyssey - 800k Metacritic 78%, Blue Dragon 500k 79%, Eternal Sonata 270k 79%.

So far they have only sold on the Xbox360, I wonder if the Xbox360 has gathered a much higher percentage of JRPG fans in the west than the other two consoles? We will see I guess when Tales of Vesperia and Infinate undiscovery come out.

 

That's only furthered by the fact that the 360 now has the ultimate weapon in the genre....Final Fantasy XIII(though it's still coming to the PS3)

 



 

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mrstickball on 21 August 2008

Oh, and here's a list of RPGs for each system, if anyone wants to discuss sales:

 

Xbox 360: Sales
Playstation 3 Sales
Wii Sales
The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion 2,530,000
The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion 710,000
Dragon Quest Swords 690,000
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance* 2,470,000
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 230,000
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 270,000
Mass Effect 1,980,000
Enchanted Arms 150,000
Tales of Symphonia 2 220,000
Lost Odyssey 800,000
Valkyria Chronicles 140,000
Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon 130,000
Blue Dragon 500,000
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom 120,000
Shiren the Wanderer 3 100,000
Two Worlds 350,000
Disgaea 3 110,000
Alien Syndrome 40,000
Kingdom Under Fire: CoD 310,000



Opoona 30,000
Eternal Sonata 270,000



Baroque 5,000
Final Fantasy XI 240,000





Enchanted Arms 140,000





Tales of Vesperia 110,000





Phantasy Star Universe 100,000





Operation: Darkness 4,000













Total Sales: 9,804,000

1,460,000

1,485,000
Average Sales: 754,154

243,333

185,625

 

To compare: The Xbox 360's 2nd best selling RPG has more sales than the combined sales of either PS3 or Wii RPG sales. Interesting reference point, no? If I'm missing any, please let me know.



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Squilliam on 21 August 2008
Riachu said:
Squilliam said:
mrstickball said:
Ookaze, and others that assume that JRPGs sell better on the Wii and PS3...Care to give a few examples?

So the highest selling JRPG on the Wii = 700k with a larger userbase and known IP, Dragon quest swords. Metacritic 66% Theres pretty much nothing else and the Tales game hasn't sold through yet.

The highest selling JRPG on the PS3 is Enchanted Arms - 150k Metacritic 64% (69% Xbox360)

The highest selling JRPGs on the Xbox360 are. Lost Odyssey - 800k Metacritic 78%, Blue Dragon 500k 79%, Eternal Sonata 270k 79%.

So far they have only sold on the Xbox360, I wonder if the Xbox360 has gathered a much higher percentage of JRPG fans in the west than the other two consoles? We will see I guess when Tales of Vesperia and Infinate undiscovery come out.

 

That's only furthered by the fact that the 360 now has the ultimate weapon in the genre....Final Fantasy XIII(though it's still coming to the PS3)

 

I think we'll know how well JRPG strategy is succeeding so far, based on two things pretty soon between next week and the sales week ending September 13th.

TOV + IU initial sales will indicate how much of the JRPG userbase the Xbox360 has captured, particularly how well the sales of the games launch at and how well they maintain their sales week on week.

Whether or not the sales of the two JRPG blip in the 6 days following the price cut - Sept 8-13 because that would indicate a further increase in the JRPG fanbase buying the Xbox360.

 



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Riachu on 21 August 2008
Squilliam said:
Riachu said:
Squilliam said:
mrstickball said:
Ookaze, and others that assume that JRPGs sell better on the Wii and PS3...Care to give a few examples?

So the highest selling JRPG on the Wii = 700k with a larger userbase and known IP, Dragon quest swords. Metacritic 66% Theres pretty much nothing else and the Tales game hasn't sold through yet.

The highest selling JRPG on the PS3 is Enchanted Arms - 150k Metacritic 64% (69% Xbox360)

The highest selling JRPGs on the Xbox360 are. Lost Odyssey - 800k Metacritic 78%, Blue Dragon 500k 79%, Eternal Sonata 270k 79%.

So far they have only sold on the Xbox360, I wonder if the Xbox360 has gathered a much higher percentage of JRPG fans in the west than the other two consoles? We will see I guess when Tales of Vesperia and Infinate undiscovery come out.

 

That's only furthered by the fact that the 360 now has the ultimate weapon in the genre....Final Fantasy XIII(though it's still coming to the PS3)

 

I think we'll know how well JRPG strategy is succeeding so far, based on two things pretty soon between next week and the sales week ending September 13th.

TOV + IU initial sales will indicate how much of the JRPG userbase the Xbox360 has captured, particularly how well the sales of the games launch at and how well they maintain their sales week on week.

Whether or not the sales of the two JRPG blip in the 6 days following the price cut - Sept 8-13 because that would indicate a further increase in the JRPG fanbase buying the Xbox360.

 

Here's the thing:It's expected that IU sells better in the West than ToV.  ToV has a few things against it in terms of sales that IU doesn't(like for example, it's anime art style and also the fact that IU has S-E on the Boxart).  Also, IU seems to be getting better marketing overall.  I think the sales of the one that sells better than the other is a good indication of how much of the RPG fanbase the 360 has gotten.

 



 

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