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selnor said:
The problem with the article is it fails to see that 360 has a much broader library, and more quality exclusives. The article fails to see the lack of decent PS3 exclusives. Hmmmm

 

 Thats only your opinion.I dont think it has a much broader library.The PS3 has already many very good exclusive games as Resistence,Motorstorm,Everybodys Golf ,Eye of Judgement ,Metal Gear Solid 4,Disgaea 3,Yakuza Kenzan ,Valkyrie Chronicles ,Gran Turismo 5 Prologue ,Ninja Gaiden Sigma ,Singstar ,Buzz ,Warhawk ,Heavenly Sword ,Folklore ,Uncharted ,Ratchet and Clank ,Siren:Blood Curse ....the 360 doesnt have too many more exclusives than that.



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noname2200 said:
Geez that article was a total mess. "Microsoft bet on the wrong optical format" is as wrong-headed as can be, considering that using Blu-Ray would have bumped the price of the 360 up a few hundred dollars. Turning the Battle of the Exclusives into Halo vs. Metal Gear is silly in and of itself, but even worse for this article is that that battle clearly favors Halo.

As to Home, its "silver bullet" status is something that's more fantasy than reality, at least if we're talking about moving consoles. And since when is Little Big Planet the Next Big Thing? Teh internets knows about it: no one else really does.

The paragraph where the author tries to cherry-pick reasons why the 360's big holiday games won't be all that big (now that we have the $180 Rock Band, karaoke is finished!) just seems desperate. And the sentence where he implies that Microsoft is essentially the Halo Machine might be a widely repeated meme, but that doesn't make it true.

Here's a sentence that really got to me though: "The PlayStation, on the other hand, is damn near rock-solid. Microsoft has to start getting the word out that it has fixed the reliability problems; pretending like this issue never happened is not the solution." Substitute "Microsoft" for "Sony" and "PlayStation" for "PlayStation 2" and you've accurately described the last generation. May I suggest that the author is now officially pulling stuff out of his a**?

Then there's the last paragraph before the conclusion, which was a nice way to cap the article off. Apparently its multi-media capabilities that sell consoles, not games and stuff. Someone needs to tell that to Nintendo ASAP; just think how much more money they could be printing if they followed that mantra!

Ayayay. If you're going to pretend to do some analysis, at least fake going through the motions of objectivity and rational thought...

I stopped reading after after the red. They did choose the wrong optical format. They picked HDDVD which no longer exists. Now sony has gets the royalties to the 360 blu ray player which costs A LOT.

 



Gearbox said:
noname2200 said:
Geez that article was a total mess. "Microsoft bet on the wrong optical format" is as wrong-headed as can be, considering that using Blu-Ray would have bumped the price of the 360 up a few hundred dollars. Turning the Battle of the Exclusives into Halo vs. Metal Gear is silly in and of itself, but even worse for this article is that that battle clearly favors Halo.

As to Home, its "silver bullet" status is something that's more fantasy than reality, at least if we're talking about moving consoles. And since when is Little Big Planet the Next Big Thing? Teh internets knows about it: no one else really does.

The paragraph where the author tries to cherry-pick reasons why the 360's big holiday games won't be all that big (now that we have the $180 Rock Band, karaoke is finished!) just seems desperate. And the sentence where he implies that Microsoft is essentially the Halo Machine might be a widely repeated meme, but that doesn't make it true.

Here's a sentence that really got to me though: "The PlayStation, on the other hand, is damn near rock-solid. Microsoft has to start getting the word out that it has fixed the reliability problems; pretending like this issue never happened is not the solution." Substitute "Microsoft" for "Sony" and "PlayStation" for "PlayStation 2" and you've accurately described the last generation. May I suggest that the author is now officially pulling stuff out of his a**?

Then there's the last paragraph before the conclusion, which was a nice way to cap the article off. Apparently its multi-media capabilities that sell consoles, not games and stuff. Someone needs to tell that to Nintendo ASAP; just think how much more money they could be printing if they followed that mantra!

Ayayay. If you're going to pretend to do some analysis, at least fake going through the motions of objectivity and rational thought...

I stopped reading after after the red. They did choose the wrong optical format. They picked HDDVD which no longer exists. Now sony has gets the royalties to the 360 blu ray player which costs A LOT.

 

You forget that Microsoft also has royalties from Blu Ray, and they didn't lose billions to get the format out the door. Microsoft is ahead on Blu Ray royalties, Sony is still a few billion in the hole.

 



Tease.

blackstar said:
i want to say : the ps3 is better , u guys get a three years warrenty and so u buy it and say it;s better
i get one year so ps3 is better :)

???

 



Just kiss the tip.


Gearbox said:
noname2200 said:

I stopped reading after after the red. They did choose the wrong optical format. They picked HDDVD which no longer exists. Now sony has gets the royalties to the 360 blu ray player which costs A LOT.

 

There are several problems with your post as well. Number one: Blu-Ray launched several months after the 360 did: to be part of the Blu-Ray train, Microsoft would have had to delay the 360's release, thereby negating the very advantage they sought to gain. That's a little hard to swallow, in my book. Remember, Microsoft wasn't a massive proponent of Hd-DVD: they picked it because it was all that was available at the time.

Second, you neglected to address the fact that adding a Blu-Ray drive would have jacked up the price of the 360 by several hundred dollars. Remember that Sony, who is a part of the Blu-Ray coalition and who has their own factories, still acted like they were doing consumers a favor by only charging $600 at launch. How much more do you reckon a 360 would have cost? And what would be the point of delaying the 360 for Blu-Ray if it still cost about the same as a PS3?

Third, going Blu-Ray with the 360 would only have helped the Blu-Ray format, which benefits Sony. Considering that Microsoft is only in the console market to "block" Sony, that seems like a Pyhrric victory to me. How does it strike you?

Finally, your last sentence is a mess as well. Sony will get the royalties from any 360 Blu-Ray player, yes. But no such player has been announced yet, so you're putting the cart before the horse. More importantly, if the 360 had Blu-Ray from the get-go Sony would be getting royalties on every 360 released since launch, rather than just from those 360 owners who opt to buy this optional and unannounced Blu-Ray drive.

Edit: I presume that, having overruled your objections, you'll now grace the rest of my post with a read?



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Arkk said:
blackstar said:
i want to say : the ps3 is better , u guys get a three years warrenty and so u buy it and say it;s better
i get one year so ps3 is better :)

???

 

The blackstar was making a joke, Fallout boy.

 



Tease.

I agree with the article in many places M$ needs to stop trying to be Sony during the PS2 days and needs its own brand image i mean everything they announced i rolled my eyes at becuz its like a Sony confrence from the past.

That being said: testicles.



I like arstechnica, but this article didn't seem to do justice. It really ignores the depth of the 360's library as well as the weak areas that MS has been attacking on the PS3.

MS has been destroying Sony on the JRPG front. You could say this is not a great strength niche in terms of sales compared to FPS or racing games, but the RPG niche was one of the greatest strengths of the PS2, and the only reason I owned/loved my ps2. MS has completely dismantled that so far this generation, which is no small feat.

Achieving 'parity' in a lot of titles that used to be ps3 exclusive is another area where MS has really dug into Sony's armor. Microsoft has turned Sony's vast wealth of exclusives into a handful of titles like MGS4, Ratchet and Clank, and Gran Turismo, which has allowed MS's own exclusives to shine even more prominently.

Their biggest weakness in price/hard drive size should be alleviated if this pricecut comes true in September. And with the number of JRPGs coming out this fall/spring for 360 in Japan, they are aggressively tackling that market as well.

Europe needs more work for sure, but I think those sales will come with the next round of mainstream pricing. Will be too late to win the battle there, but they should end pretty well with a late generation surge with the RRoD reputation faded and true mainstream pricing.



selnor said:
The problem with the article is it fails to see that 360 has a much broader library, and more quality exclusives. The article fails to see the lack of decent PS3 exclusives. Hmmmm

 

 The ONLY fact that was stated here was that the 360 has more games.



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Squilliam said:
DMeisterJ said:
The article contradicts itself a few times, this one is big:

The first Viva Pinata fail to impress, so the second one shouldn't [paraphrasing], but he goes as far to say that Killzone 2 will be awesome.

But he does make a point though, is that microsoft needs to stop striving for parity with the PS3. Instead of being exactly the same as the console, it needs to differentiate itself, which is usually done through Software. But most of MSs software isn't internally developed, meaning generally, it's multi-plat, and doesn't help them.

Internal Development lets Sony and Ninty make their system special to it's owners, while MS system owners only get whatever third-party game was hot a few years ago.

Actually its the PS3 striving for parity in a lot of genres. For example - Killzone 2/RFOM 2, would they exist without Microsoft first releasing the Halo and Gears franchises? Furthermore aren't Microsoft using their Lionhead studios to help spearhead their RPG push this year?

 

 

Why do people keep saying that crap??? Killzone1 yes, if not for Halo it would not exist. But Killzone 2 could have easily been expected once we saw liberations, and Kz2 was most likely in development b4 Gears 1 even hit main development. As for Resistance, halo has sqwat to do with it, and we can easily say that Resistance 1 started development around the same time as Gears 1.

I have to ask, it is because those games look like killer apps that you must compare them to MS's games to make them look less unique and more like clones??? Screw my previous Paragraph! I don't see why people Resistance 1 was a gears clone, by the look of it You could say that those 2 started development around the same time. And they are both in deferent perspectives god damnit! Ones a reflex shooter and the other is a cover based 3rd person.



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