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hunter_alien on 13 August 2008
Kasz216 said:
EPP said:

Don't forget that the Georgians also tried that forced unification thingy with South Ossetia.

 

That isn't okay either, is it ? :p

 

South Ossetia is part of Georgia... not it's own country.

 

 Yes but they tried to be... it was such an instable teritoy that actions had to be taken, and in my eyes with Russias attack there where...



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EPP on 13 August 2008
Kasz216 said:
EPP said:

Don't forget that the Georgians also tried that forced unification thingy with South Ossetia.

 

That isn't okay either, is it ? :p

 

South Ossetia is part of Georgia... not it's own country.

 

Oh. But I thought it'd be important what the people think :P

Think of Yugoslavia. History is repeating itself in some way.



hunter_alien on 13 August 2008
Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
rocketpig said:
hunter_alien said:
rocketpig said:
hunter_alien said:

And why wouldent I want that? Because if this will happen sooner or later Russia could make similar moves with Georgia to.. I wouldent mind if Russia would try to make a forced unification, because the bigger trhe better IMO. And TBH I dont think that anyone would dare to say no. Russia is still a huge military power and arguably the biggest economical one ;) Especialy for the long-run.

Whoa-whoa-WHOA.

WTF? You don't see a problem with "forced unification"?

 

 

What does Iraq has to do with this? Kasz pointed me out how bloody and violent Russias methods are and I showed him that the allmighty USA is no different.

And no I dont have any issues with forced unification if in the historic long-run we would mostly benefit from it, and TNH IMO the only thing that could clear this Osetian-Georgian issues is if it would be united with Russia. A real power, a real solution ( OK, that last one might sound a little crazy I know :P ).

Who is "we"? Are you Georgian?

And most importantly, shouldn't the Georgians have a say in this?

 

No he's Hungarian/Romanian and wants Russia to gain back all it's USSR territory under a corrupt despotic government.

Why he thinks this is a good idea i've yet to see. I think it's just because he hates the west.

Also, as bad as Iraq was. (Afghanistan did have reasons... Oil wasn't one of them.)

At least we didn't attack a democratic country ruled by the people. So is it right to kill inocent people just because they are ruled by a dictator?

Hate it? Absolutly not. My favorite game developers/movies are from the USA and Im also fat like most Americans (jk):P

And yes I do want Russia to gain back, not its former teritories but its former glory and power. One sided world domination is never a good thing...

 

While I want Russia to gain back it's rule by the people instead of having it's elections rigged.

As for a one sided world domination... no such thing exists.

 

So you dont bealive that the NATO is the worlds biggest military power? Lets be honest any country that dares to say "NO" to their democracy will sooner or later get attacked politicaly or even military... there needs to be a balance, and at this point the CIS is the only power that could be considered as the only ballance.

 

Largest Military power in the world? Yeah sure. Will they actually use that power for anything? No.

NATO like the UN rarely acts... and only in cases where things have gone insane.

 

Because they dont need to. Nobody dares to act against them. You do know that fear is a powerfull weapon.

Oh and if you mean pure democracy... then yes, why? because there is no such thing as pure democracy. Never was, never will be.

 



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Kasz216 on 13 August 2008
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
EPP said:

Don't forget that the Georgians also tried that forced unification thingy with South Ossetia.

 

That isn't okay either, is it ? :p

 

South Ossetia is part of Georgia... not it's own country.

 

Yes but they tried to be... it was such an instable teritoy that actions had to be taken, and in my eyes with Russias attack there where...

The actions Russia should of took was not supporting and starting the trouble in the first place. Russia is the very country who made the territory unstable.

That's like saying if America started agitating quebec to the point of it rioting it would be fine for the US to invade and annex Quebec.



hunter_alien on 13 August 2008
Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
EPP said:

Don't forget that the Georgians also tried that forced unification thingy with South Ossetia.

 

That isn't okay either, is it ? :p

 

South Ossetia is part of Georgia... not it's own country.

 

Yes but they tried to be... it was such an instable teritoy that actions had to be taken, and in my eyes with Russias attack there where...

The actions Russia should of took was not supporting and starting the trouble in the first place. Russia is the very country who made the territory unstable.

That's like saying if America started agitating quebec to the point of it rioting it would be fine for the US to invade and annex Quebec.

 

 You cant agitate a country or region if it has no faults or issues, can you?

 

Anyways, I seriously got to go, tomowrow I have a busy day and I still have to sleep, so Il respond to the other comments tomorrow :P



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Kasz216 on 13 August 2008
EPP said:
Kasz216 said:
EPP said:

Don't forget that the Georgians also tried that forced unification thingy with South Ossetia.

 

That isn't okay either, is it ? :p

 

South Ossetia is part of Georgia... not it's own country.

 

Oh. But I thought it'd be important what the people think :P

Think of Yugoslavia. History is repeating itself in some way.


Not at all. There were two very big differences.

1) No genocide.

2) The country intervening wasn't the country who intentionally stirred things up in the first place.

Russia being the ones who are causing the problem have no right to be the ones to deliver the solution.

That's like letting a criminal be his own judge.



Kasz216 on 13 August 2008
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
EPP said:

Don't forget that the Georgians also tried that forced unification thingy with South Ossetia.

 

That isn't okay either, is it ? :p

 

South Ossetia is part of Georgia... not it's own country.

 

Yes but they tried to be... it was such an instable teritoy that actions had to be taken, and in my eyes with Russias attack there where...

The actions Russia should of took was not supporting and starting the trouble in the first place. Russia is the very country who made the territory unstable.

That's like saying if America started agitating quebec to the point of it rioting it would be fine for the US to invade and annex Quebec.

 

You cant agitate a country or region if it has no faults or issues, can you?

 

Anyways, I seriously got to go, tomowrow I have a busy day and I still have to sleep, so Il respond to the other comments tomorrow :P

What region doesn't have it's faults or issues?

 



Kasz216 on 13 August 2008
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:
Kasz216 said:
rocketpig said:
hunter_alien said:
rocketpig said:
hunter_alien said:

And why wouldent I want that? Because if this will happen sooner or later Russia could make similar moves with Georgia to.. I wouldent mind if Russia would try to make a forced unification, because the bigger trhe better IMO. And TBH I dont think that anyone would dare to say no. Russia is still a huge military power and arguably the biggest economical one ;) Especialy for the long-run.

Whoa-whoa-WHOA.

WTF? You don't see a problem with "forced unification"?

 

 

What does Iraq has to do with this? Kasz pointed me out how bloody and violent Russias methods are and I showed him that the allmighty USA is no different.

And no I dont have any issues with forced unification if in the historic long-run we would mostly benefit from it, and TNH IMO the only thing that could clear this Osetian-Georgian issues is if it would be united with Russia. A real power, a real solution ( OK, that last one might sound a little crazy I know :P ).

Who is "we"? Are you Georgian?

And most importantly, shouldn't the Georgians have a say in this?

 

No he's Hungarian/Romanian and wants Russia to gain back all it's USSR territory under a corrupt despotic government.

Why he thinks this is a good idea i've yet to see. I think it's just because he hates the west.

Also, as bad as Iraq was. (Afghanistan did have reasons... Oil wasn't one of them.)

At least we didn't attack a democratic country ruled by the people. So is it right to kill inocent people just because they are ruled by a dictator?

Hate it? Absolutly not. My favorite game developers/movies are from the USA and Im also fat like most Americans (jk):P

And yes I do want Russia to gain back, not its former teritories but its former glory and power. One sided world domination is never a good thing...

 

While I want Russia to gain back it's rule by the people instead of having it's elections rigged.

As for a one sided world domination... no such thing exists.

 

So you dont bealive that the NATO is the worlds biggest military power? Lets be honest any country that dares to say "NO" to their democracy will sooner or later get attacked politicaly or even military... there needs to be a balance, and at this point the CIS is the only power that could be considered as the only ballance.

 

Largest Military power in the world? Yeah sure. Will they actually use that power for anything? No.

NATO like the UN rarely acts... and only in cases where things have gone insane.

 

Because they dont need to. Nobody dares to act against them. You do know that fear is a powerfull weapon.

Oh and if you mean pure democracy... then yes, why? because there is no such thing as pure democracy. Never was, never will be.

 

What do you mean there is no such thing as pure democracy?  Regardless systems that put the people in control are more preferable to what russia currently has.

 



Words Of Wisdom on 13 August 2008
Kasz216 said:
hunter_alien said:

Because they dont need to. Nobody dares to act against them. You do know that fear is a powerfull weapon.

Oh and if you mean pure democracy... then yes, why? because there is no such thing as pure democracy. Never was, never will be.

 

What do you mean there is no such thing as pure democracy?  Regardless systems that put the people in control are more preferable to what russia currently has.

 

Too many quotes!

 



EPP on 13 August 2008
Kasz216 said:
EPP said:
Kasz216 said:
EPP said:

Don't forget that the Georgians also tried that forced unification thingy with South Ossetia.

 

That isn't okay either, is it ? :p

 

South Ossetia is part of Georgia... not it's own country.

 

Oh. But I thought it'd be important what the people think :P

Think of Yugoslavia. History is repeating itself in some way.


Not at all. There were two very big differences.

1) No genocide.

2) The country intervening wasn't the country who intentionally stirred things up in the first place.

Russia being the ones who are causing the problem have no right to be the ones to deliver the solution.

That's like letting a criminal be his own judge.

Of course it doesn't repeat itself 1:1.

But the core problem is the same, several different ethnics searching for independence and a state which is slowly falling apart. The conflict has always been there, just like in Yugoslavia. You can't tell me  Saakashvili thought he could just move in there, bomb some buildings, kill some russian soldiers and yeah, Georgia unified.

But it's no secret that Russia was only waiting for this to happen. As I said, they probably just wanted to demonstrate that we won't do shit to help in such a conflict.