That graph would look just like the sales trends chart if the Wii had PS360 quality games released in the same time period.

If you take into account Nintendo sales, there is no denying the Wii sells tons of software.

the only place where Wii 3rd parties doesn't sell is Japan, which is the smallest region!!

can some list those big time wii 3rd party titles? i'm betting the highest selling wii third party game has mario in the title.

He also plays a mean game of Minesweeper, or so I've heard.

So Microsoft and Pachter are right, I see.

MS, no.  Pachter, sort of.

MS wants to compare their complete 31 month ltd sw sales... but that doesn't do much for third parties to look at to see where they should put their next game.

Pachter has been wishy washy, he says one thing to one person and something else to someone else.  I'm sure you can research and find Pachter saying anything you want him to say.

Nintendo is also wrong, because they are comparing first 19 months.  Because of Y2Y growth, they should measure the same 19 month period.

Which is what NPD did. 13+ compared to 16+ just US.  WW Wii would be in the "lead".  Just US + EU or JPN and Wii is in the lead.

US by itself for the last 19 months, shows 360 3rd party software edging out Wii by 3 million.  Next year Wii will blow this away.  (Probably even 2008 12 month period will go to Wii)

Whatever.  Each console has its market, and each third party could make games for either one.

I said it in the other thread but...

For the USA you can think of the current sales like Pizzas.

Wii is the biggest pizza. It has eight slices. Nintendo takes four, third parties get four.

360 is a smaller pizza but it also has eight slices. Microsoft takes one or two, third parties take six or seven.

PS3 is an even smaller pizza but it also has eight slices. Sony takes two, third parties take six.

Publishers prefer the greasy flavor of the smaller pizzas, so they eat more of those pies to get 'full' (of revenue). Together though, the 360 & PS3 pie are still greater than the Wii pie in the USA by 5m or so. 

The issue is, since 360 was a bigger pie until recently, and 3rd parties got to eat more of it, it still made sense to support 360, even though Wii was growing faster.

Math makes it simple: 360 been on the market 32/20 the amount of time Wii has been on the market. Wii sells something like 540k/month in the USA on avg while 360 sells something like 325k/month on avg in the USA.

Once 360 was on the market for only 1.6x the amount of time that Wii was, Wii was going to catch it. But for third parties, the 7 out of 8 3rd party game advantage to 4 out of 8 3rd party game advantage out of total sw sold means that until Wii pushes ahead of 360 by say 70% in hw, or until Nintendo's offerings slow a bit (and they are now) it remains better to support 360  in terms of unit sales. The issue with that is that Wii games are cheaper to develop, so selling less doesn't really mean less profit.

My take is when Wii is at ~ 18.5m in the USA by NPD at the end of the year while 360 is at ~14.5m in the USA by the end of the year that software totals from 3rd party games will be about equal, though they'll continue to make up a higher percentage of the Xbox 360 total software sold. Microsoft actually has a pretty strong 1st party showing later in the year while Nintendo is holding back so the percentages are going to change a bit. I have it as:

Something like ~ 18.5m USA Wiis * 8 games/hw * .58 for Wii 3rd party games by the end of the year - ~86m units

Something like ~ 14.5m USA 360s * 8.75 games/hw * .68 for 360 3rd party games by the end of the year - ~86m units

In terms of big remaining 3rd party games, 360 has Madden, GH, COD, Rockband 2, Tales, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Wars, Lego Batman, Prince of Persia, Sonic Unleashed,  Face Breaker, Silent Hill.

Wii has Madden, GH, COD, Tiger Woods, DDR, Star Wars, De Blob, Lego Batman, Cooking Mama, Shaun White, Game Party 2, MySims Kingdom, Tales of Symphonia, Face Breaker, Sonic Unleashed, Rockband 2.

You can get a pretty good idea of how third parties view the two system from those lists, but each list is going to have its share of 500k, 1m, 1m+ hits.

I think you got the information mixed up.

Pachter was the one who gave the information about 13mil vs 16 mil.... but it wasn't about the last 19 months, it was about 2008 sales.

So in USA in 2008, 360 has sold 3 million more software (13:16) than the Wii, although I am pretty positive that Wii will have caught and surpassed 360 for 2008 sales soon, because that 13:16 ratio is only for January to end of May... and all that time the 360 had a userbase advantage above Wii.

So Pachter, who may get attacked too much IMO, gave the best bit of information.... he gave numbers of third parties sales in recent months, at about the right time when Wii was just catching the 360 in sold consoles.

In USA... From January 2008 - May 2008
The Wii, with a slightly lower userbase, sold 13 million 3rd party software units.

The 360 with a slightly higher userbase, sold 16 million 3rd party software units.

So 3rd party wise the two consoles are selling almost on par with each other, but Wii is obviously a software selling beast because 1st party sells a hell of a lot more on Wii than 360.... I mean that 16 million includes over 3 million from GTAIV alone.

hahahaha lol. Nice. Edited my quote to better clarify my position.

What does me having an NES avatar have to do with anything. What I was saying was, pretty much only crappy third party games sell on the Wii. You're blinded by that bright white of your Wii if you think otherwise.

But then again, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just basing my assumptions on the sales (or lack thereof) of Zack and Wiki, Okami, and No More Heroes.