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There are no arguments for KH3 to goto Wii outside of the fact your assuming it's sell best since it's a kiddie system, and KH3 would be a kiddie game, therefore have no graphical needs.

But I must ask, did you even play KH2? The game, although cartoony, did try to push the limits with onscreen animations (remember the battle with Sora vs. about 50,000 heartless?). Unlike DQ8, which never ever once tried anything difficult, KH2 really tried to push alot of Final Fantasy-esque things - grand battles, lots of FMV scenes, ect ect ect. Because of this, I truely fail to see, outside of the assumption that the Wii's lack of power is what KH3 "needs" is what would make it switch.

IMO, I still think they've deved KH3 for PS3, but will probably port to 360 so they can get reasonable sales in the US. Regardless of what you want to think, KH3 would sell best on a 360/PS3 combo since KH is far more West-centric than East (despite it selling well in Japan too). Kiddie games don't sell on the 360? Then why did POTC3 and Spiderman 3 do so much better on 360 than Wii?



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After seeing what Naruto: Rise of a Ninja and Looney Tunes Acme Arsenal look like on the 360 (both cartoony games and both simply stunning) I find it hard to imagine that the Wii is automatically the best console for a "cartoony" game. I mean Naruto: Rise of a Ninja has graphics that are beyond anything that the Wii could do (if you don't believe me take a look at the current issue of Play Magazine) and in the preview for Acme Arsenal the reviewer mentions how much better the game looks on the 360 than the Wii and PS2 versions and that all three were built from the ground up for each console.



mrstickball said:
There are no arguments for KH3 to goto Wii outside of the fact your assuming it's sell best since it's a kiddie system, and KH3 would be a kiddie game, therefore have no graphical needs.

But I must ask, did you even play KH2? The game, although cartoony, did try to push the limits with onscreen animations (remember the battle with Sora vs. about 50,000 heartless?). Unlike DQ8, which never ever once tried anything difficult, KH2 really tried to push alot of Final Fantasy-esque things - grand battles, lots of FMV scenes, ect ect ect. Because of this, I truely fail to see, outside of the assumption that the Wii's lack of power is what KH3 "needs" is what would make it switch.

IMO, I still think they've deved KH3 for PS3, but will probably port to 360 so they can get reasonable sales in the US. Regardless of what you want to think, KH3 would sell best on a 360/PS3 combo since KH is far more West-centric than East (despite it selling well in Japan too). Kiddie games don't sell on the 360? Then why did POTC3 and Spiderman 3 do so much better on 360 than Wii?

Not kiddie, a game for all audiences. The 13-18 group (the primary demographic of the other 2 systems) doesn't play KH. Disney characters aren't macho enough for high school boys. Yes, there were lots of FMV scenes and big grand battles, but they were things that could be done on the PS2, much less the Wii.

I didn't say it's what it needs, I said that what it DOESN'T need is the horsepower of the PS3 and 360. It doesn't NEED anything, except some touchup and polish, which certainly the Wii is capable of (look at SSBB). What do you want to change on the graphics? Even the FMVs were that perfect mix. They never broke away from that half-disney half-FF art style (it's one of the reasons I appreciated the game).

It's not about kiddie, it's about a wide demographic in general. The PS3 and 360 don't have a wide demographic. They have a very narrow demographic (something the PS2 didn't suffer from). The game is a game that will only sell when released to this wider demographic. That's what made it successful on the PS2, and that's what the PS3 does not have. There is a reason they are making Knight's Story, a more hardcore spinoff of the FF franchise. POTC and Spider-Man both appeal to the macho teen just fine, it's Mickey Mouse that you won't get them to open their wallets for. A better example is Viva Pinata, which unfortunately never sold, despite being an amazing game.

Legend, I agree that cartoon graphics can be touched up and polished. That is certainly possible, but it's also something that can happen on the Wii. Naruto: RoaN is Cell shading, that's a whole nother world. Looney Tunes Acme Arsenal does NOTHING the Wii can't, in fact I can even show you better Wii graphics. The game looks better on the 360 than the Wii because rather than work with the Wii's hardware to bring out it's power, they just took the 360 version, downgraded it, and released it.

IGN Screeenshots of Acme Arsenal for 360:


 

IGN Screenshot of SSBB:

 

It's not one thing, it's a combination of things.

Here is what I'm getting from you guys on the PS360 advantages: More power for more enemies, better graphics.

Here are what I'm getting for PS360 disadvantages: Primary demographic is the High School kids, who are unlikely to purchase a new KH game. Development costs are high, for relatively few advantages (look at SSBB and tell me the Wii isn't capable of polishing those graphics VERY well). Smaller system user bases in general.

Here is what I'm saying are Wii advantages: Cheaper development costs, capable hardware, wider demographic, larger user base in general, motion controls.

Here is what I'm getting from you for Wii disadvantages: Less powerful hardware. And you can clearly see from SSBB with the development effort it's hardware is more than capable of polishing KH graphics to the extent of say, the cartoony Blue Dragon graphics.

IGN screenshot of Blue Dragon:

IGN Screenshot of Pokemon Battle Revoultion:

No matter how you look at it SSBB is the best looking game up there, followed by Blue Dragon, who's graphics are equaled by Pokemon Battle Revolution, followed by Looney Toons. I fail to see why with all the financial advantages on the Wii, and no graphical advantages for a mixed art style on the PS3 or 360, they are better choices... please expand on this you 2.



Wow. Blue Dragon graphically inferior to SSBB? Why are we comparing a game that takes place in a level the size of 1 TV screen and a game that encompasses 200+ levels, and hundreds more characters.

Lets compare games of actual similar genres before before we just jump to such crazy conclusions:

 

Hmm. Same resolution downsizing, which one looks better?

 

Cartoony grapics?

If you've played KH all the way through, then you know that despite the cartoony graphics, the game focuses on alot of enemies at once time, strong graphics and art direction for their games, and all kinds of other things. It's not a simple game like Zack & Wiki, or such. This is why I still think a KH3 that isn't Wii-exclusive is entirely a certainty.

I wouldn't entirely believe the demographic for the KH series is just kids, nor PS3 owners entirely just hardcore white males. I have a 8 year old niece that has a PS3 because they want KH3, as well as a 20 y/o girlfriend that wants a PS3 for KH3.

 Do I think that a PS3-only KH3 is likely? No. I do admit that if it were to goto one system (which I really doubt), it'd goto Wii. However, in KH's case, I do believe it's already in the process of development for quite some time, and it's engine has probably already been finshed, with textures and all the important graphical assets already there. This is why I think it'd go PS3/360. You can always change demographics with enough gamers. Thats why Sony and MS are investing so heavily in to titles for younger kids - Viva Pinata (ever play it?), Banjo Kazooie, Kameo (again, ever play it?), Little Big Planet, ect.



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first flaw is that pictures don't do justice to actual game play and to play devil's advocate if the 360 is suppose to be photo realistic it does a bad job in the Bioshock pic.

Note I think the bioshock game is amazing almost more so then Too human and I think it's a system seller.




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I don't have any opinion on the other game but KH3 is defiently a good subject. I mean many would see oh Square so must be PS3. But we forget that this is also Disney as well and after DS who is Disney in love with: NIntendo. Not only that but Square has decided to really have main support for PS3 but they know they have to support Wii cause it has such a large growing fanbase. They need a big game to put there. How about KH3.

I really do think KH3 will be on the Wii. It fits perfectly in acuality. I don't know if it'll be exclusive but I do think it will be on the Wii.



mrstickball said:

Wow. Blue Dragon graphically inferior to SSBB? Why are we comparing a game that takes place in a level the size of 1 TV screen and a game that encompasses 200+ levels, and hundreds more characters.

Lets compare games of actual similar genres before before we just jump to such crazy conclusions:

 

Hmm. Same resolution downsizing, which one looks better?

 

Cartoony grapics?

If you've played KH all the way through, then you know that despite the cartoony graphics, the game focuses on alot of enemies at once time, strong graphics and art direction for their games, and all kinds of other things. It's not a simple game like Zack & Wiki, or such. This is why I still think a KH3 that isn't Wii-exclusive is entirely a certainty.

I wouldn't entirely believe the demographic for the KH series is just kids, nor PS3 owners entirely just hardcore white males. I have a 8 year old niece that has a PS3 because they want KH3, as well as a 20 y/o girlfriend that wants a PS3 for KH3.

Do I think that a PS3-only KH3 is likely? No. I do admit that if it were to goto one system (which I really doubt), it'd goto Wii. However, in KH's case, I do believe it's already in the process of development for quite some time, and it's engine has probably already been finshed, with textures and all the important graphical assets already there. This is why I think it'd go PS3/360. You can always change demographics with enough gamers. Thats why Sony and MS are investing so heavily in to titles for younger kids - Viva Pinata (ever play it?), Banjo Kazooie, Kameo (again, ever play it?), Little Big Planet, ect.


Okay, please people listen:  I know not everyone is a CG designer, but I'm sure you all know what Cell Shading is, so stop comparing Cell Shading to games that aren't.  They are COMPLETELY different styles, and will have nothing to do with each other.  Metroid Prime and Bioshock art styles are completely different as well.  If you want to compare similar games, how about similar games that actually have something to do with KH?  Blue Dragon and Pokemon BR would be great examples of similar graphical style, hovering around that balance between cartoon and realistic.  Yeah I played Viva Pinata, and I love it.  It's probably the number 1 reason I'm getting a 360. 

I'm glad I at least got you to admit if it goes single platform it will go Wii, so let's expand on this topic some:  Why would KH3 be the multiplatform game rather than Knight's Story, the obviously more Final Fantasy esqe spinoff?  See here is how I see it:  Square Enix isn't stupid and they know their demographics.  They have DQIX on the DS for a reason.  If they wanted to exploit their 3rd biggest franchise in all systems, what would be the best way to do that?  I mean even without seeing the video I would have said: Continue the KH series on a more open and casual demographic, and create a darker more violent spinoff for the teen demographic.  I don't believe KH3 development began yet.  We'll see though, if it did begin a while ago as you seem to believe I'm sure we'll see something in E3.   Of course we are also discussing this right on the heels of Square claiming they will no longer make PS3 games until sales improve. 

I don't think anyone can say for sure where KH3 will end up, but to me it seems logical for KH3 on the Wii, and Knight's Story on the PS360.  Honestly I'm not saying this because I would prefer to play it on the Wii, I'll be getting all 3 systems anyway, so it's actual location doesn't matter to me.  I just see it as the most logical location for the game from a financial and technical perspective.



I thought the guy behind the KH series is busy with FF13 Vs. and they won't even be starting to dev KH3 until that's out.



Most likely it'll end up a Wii exclusive because of Nintendo's Japan dominance and the kid friendly nature of the series. Off shoots could definetly come to the DS and PSP. I think it'll be left off the PS3 and 360 all together. Square doesn't do mulitplatform games. FFXIII is PS3 exclusive, DQIX is DS exclusive, and I think KH3 will be Wii exclusive.



Disney is backing the Wii, hard, like harder than a furry playing Starfox. They even opened up a new studio exclusively for Wii development, FFS.

Don't expect to see anything KH on anything but the Wii. Not that it matters, really. I thought the original KH games were button-mashing Disney/Square fanservice garbage.

And on the graphical argument, no one gives a rat's ass as to which console they look better on, especially not the publisher of the game, who only cares about which console it will SELL better on. 



"I mean, c'mon, Viva Pinata, a game with massive marketing, didn't sell worth a damn to the "sophisticated" 360 audience, despite near-universal praise--is that a sign that 360 owners are a bunch of casual ignoramuses that can't get their heads around a 'gardening' sim? Of course not. So let's please stop trying to micro-analyze one game out of hundreds and using it as the poster child for why good, non-1st party, games can't sell on Wii. (Everyone frequenting this site knows this is nonsense, and yet some of you just can't let it go because it's the only scab you have left to pick at after all your other "Wii will phail1!!1" straw men arguments have been put to the torch.)" - exindguy on Boom Blocks