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Tuulikk on 08 August 2008
outlawauron said:
HappySqurriel said:
colonelstubbs said:
I swear somebody told me the Gamecube was more powerful than the xbox....obviously they were incorrect

 

Yeah, I know those Factor 5 guys were idiots ... All they ever did was produce one of the most graphically impressive games of the previous generation on the Gamecube at launch, and then surpass the visual quality of that game when they created its sequel.

One thing a lot of people don't really understand is that a lot of the graphical "advantage" of the XBox was that the Gamecube's TEV unit was poorly understood by most developers. At its core the TEV unit is very similar to pixel combiners which were used in GPUs prior to the move towards pixel and vertex shaders ... The primary reason why people moved towards shaders over pixel combiners was that few developers used the pixel combiners (and other GPU features) because they were GPU dependant not that they were not powerful; there were dramatic differences between the ways ATI and nVidia handled this type of hardware, and the way each of them handled the features could change from each generation of card to the next.

Factor 5 was one of the few developers who really took advantage of the TEV, and the Star Wars: Rogue Squadren games were beautiful because of it.

I agree, but I still don't really believe the GC was more powerful than PS2 or Xbox. That's just because that there were PS2 and Xbox games that looked better than what the GC produced.

It was kinda 2007 whenever the 360 had better looking games than the PS3 til Uncharted came out.

 

@ sc94597

I don't really care about specs. If a game truly looks better than Game B, then you can one is powerful, etc.

 

GameCube was more powerful then PlayStation2 and in many thing more and less powerful then Xbox with Xbox being the strongest overall. I mean, you can sit with a 4 core CPU, good graphics card and lots of RAM and never play other games then what your old Pentium (1) computer could play, but that does not mean it can't handle more. PS2 had so much of the market that developers had to find new ways of pushing the visuals to get more out of the console. And I guess it way easy to use Xbox thanks to it's similarities to PC. With GameCube, well, it was not so popular as the other consoles and it was not "alive" as long as it was out on the market.



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steven787 on 09 August 2008
mesoteto said:
RolStoppable said:

The Wii is more powerful than the Xbox, but does it really matter? During the last generation graphics have hit the point where they were considered to be good enough by most people.

hmm i dont think last gen graphics were teh cap, rather this gen, so i will really be looking forwar to how system will try to 1up each other now

 

 

 

Notice I highlighted "most" and "I"...

We are hard core gamers who rack up thousands of posts on forums talking about the sales and quality comparisons of video games.

We are not good examples of "most" people.

Bring a group of non-gamers (not a casual gamer) to play the Wii... play Wii sports, Wii Fit, Mario Party, or Mario and Sonic at the Olympics.  I guarantee that will talk about how good it looks.  I know from personal experience.  Everytime someone comes over to try it, I'm still shocked.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

MasterZack on 09 August 2008

just a little bit more that XBox.



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KZ2 on 09 August 2008
Kenny said:

You know, considering Kurakasa was threatened with a permaban on the next offence the last time he was banned, I'm really surprised sqrl only gave him one month for restarting his trolling immediately after getting unbanned.

 

Kurakasa would just make an alternate account. Members hardly ever serve bans. If Kurakasa was perma-banned making a new account would not be ban dodging. Perma-ban is account deletion.

OT: Seeing the more complete data comparing the consoles it appears the Wii is double the power and specs of the XBox.

Some GameCube, Wii and Xbox specs:

GameCube CPU: 
485 MHZ (I had this at a lower number, wonder why... Thanks HappySqurriel!)
1.3 GB/s peak bandwidth
64 KB L1 Cache
256 KB L2 Cache

Wii CPU:
729 MHZ
1.9 GB/s peak bandwidth
128 KB L1 Cache
256 KB L2 Cache

Xbox CPU:
733 MHZ
1.0 GB/s peak bandwidth
32 KB L1 Cache
128 KB L2 Cache


GameCube FSB:
162 MHZ

Wii FSB:
243 mhz (?)

Xbox FSB:
133 MHZ


Gamecube Memory:
43 MB total GC of which:
24 MB 1T-SRAM GC (same as on the Wii)

Wii Memory:
64 MB DDR3 400 MHZ? (Twice as fast as the Xbox DDR memory or more)
24 MB 1T-SRAM 10 ns (faster than the Xbox DDR, lower latency)
3 MB Texture Memory
512 MB SD flash memory (can be accessed for buffer purposes(?))

Xbox Memory:
64 MB DDR RAM 200 (?) MHZ 30 ns
8GB HDD


GameCube GPU:
162 MHZ
1 MB texture cache

Wii GPU:
243 MHZ
9.0 gb/s bus

Xbox GPU:
233 MHZ Xbox
6.4 gb/s bus
256KB texture cache (?)



steven787 on 09 August 2008

Looking at those shots Rol, that is not really a fair comparison because those landscapes also are designed to look good moving by them really fast. :)



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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theshoe23 on 09 August 2008
RolStoppable said:

The Wii is more powerful than the Xbox, but does it really matter? During the last generation graphics have hit the point where they were considered to be good enough by most people.

 

False.  Don't post your opinion as fact.



steven787 on 09 August 2008
theshoe23 said:
RolStoppable said:

The Wii is more powerful than the Xbox, but does it really matter? During the last generation graphics have hit the point where they were considered to be good enough by most people.

 

False.  Don't post your opinion as fact.

Please look at the thread before posting.  He is referring to sales and most people.

steven787 said:
mesoteto said:
RolStoppable said:

The Wii is more powerful than the Xbox, but does it really matter? During the last generation graphics have hit the point where they were considered to be good enough by most people.

hmm i dont think last gen graphics were teh cap, rather this gen, so i will really be looking forwar to how system will try to 1up each other now

 

 

 

Notice I highlighted "most" and "I"...

We are hard core gamers who rack up thousands of posts on forums talking about the sales and quality comparisons of video games.

We are not good examples of "most" people.

Bring a group of non-gamers (not a casual gamer) to play the Wii... play Wii sports, Wii Fit, Mario Party, or Mario and Sonic at the Olympics.  I guarantee that will talk about how good it looks.  I know from personal experience.  Everytime someone comes over to try it, I'm still shocked.

 

 



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Viper1 on 09 August 2008
KZ2 said:
Kenny said:

You know, considering Kurakasa was threatened with a permaban on the next offence the last time he was banned, I'm really surprised sqrl only gave him one month for restarting his trolling immediately after getting unbanned.

 

Kurakasa would just make an alternate account. Members hardly ever serve bans. If Kurakasa was perma-banned making a new account would not be ban dodging. Perma-ban is account deletion.

Perma-banning is not deleting the account.   It's just an unlifted ban.  An alternate account is still circumventing the ban.



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horriblebastard on 09 August 2008

Can we all agree, the Wii is much more powerful than the xbox?

Not in terms of resolution, as the Xbox could output at up to 1080i.



.jayderyu on 09 August 2008
horriblebastard said:
Can we all agree, the Wii is much more powerful than the xbox?

Not in terms of resolution, as the Xbox could output at up to 1080i.

Wow just wow. It's like a drowning man that needs to insist that he can swim.

 

 



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