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1.I'm going to list a bunch of games I like on Wii: (not all)
Boom Blox
Zack and Wiki
Okami
Elebits

2. Unless you are completely blind fanboy, you will be able to see a difference between Wii's biggest games that we see listed all the time:

Story
Depth of gameplay
Maturity of gameplay

I'm not talking about controls, I'm talking about building interesting mechanics between what the player is doing and what the games creator are trying to achieve.

All of those games are great, in my book. But all of them take a hand full of interesting controls and then don't go anywhere with them.

3. Now I'm going to list some more games that fanboys list a lot.
A:
Spyborgs
King Story
B:
House of the Dead 2&3
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles
C:
Resident Evil 4
Okami
Dead Rising
D:
Conduit
Call of Duty:World at War

4. What's wrong with those games.
A: Perfectly good idea, killed by using mature gameplay with a childish artstyle. This hardly ever works for sales. It's like these companies don't want to sell games.

B:They're light gun games. Great light gun games, but still just that. Get over it.

C:Ports. RE4 is a good port of an old game. Okami is a copy and paste port of a strange game that the average person can not wrap their head around. Dead Rising looks like shit, looks kinda fun. Ultimately though we don't know yet and all we have to go with is a bunch of grain, low rez textured, low polygon, pics of an empty mall.

D: FPS going to waste. Wii is the best controls for FPS. FPS isn't about controls. It's about kills, with a nickname and stat tracking. That is why 360 FPS sell many millions and they don't anywhere else (Even PC comes no where close for FPS in the last couple of years.)

5. Every Nintendo fan talks about the variety on Wii.

There is.
There's Sports, Music, Board Games, Family Games, etc.

There is not Action, Adventure, RPG or Fighting. 5 good games do not make a line up.

Nintendo and Third Parties need to understand that they lost money because they screwed up on the core market on Wii.

If they had implemented decent (no need for XBL quality) online play, true variety, and some GOD DAMN ADVERTISING for core games, then imagine the domination Nintendo would be seeing.

Third party developers wouldn't be caught in the "Million Seller" trap where 70+% of games don't turn a profit and they see quarter over quarter losses.

I am not saying Nintendo or third parties should have made fewer casual titles, I am saying third parties should have looked on the internet in 2005-6 and seen where all the excitement was pointed and started development on Wii games.

It's too late now. (As I said earlier)



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

The Wii is funny.

A game like Spyborgs would get labeled as shovelware and laughed at on the 360/PS3. On the Wii, it's automatically "a great new IP."

On the one hand, this is a good thing... on the other hand, it's kind of depressing as it seems almost desperate in a sense.



steven787 said:


Nintendo and Third Parties need to understand that they lost money because they screwed up on the core market on Wii.

If they had implemented decent (no need for XBL quality) online play, true variety, and some GOD DAMN ADVERTISING for core games, then imagine the domination Nintendo would be seeing.

Third party developers wouldn't be caught in the "Million Seller" trap where 70+% of games don't turn a profit and they see quarter over quarter losses.

I am not saying Nintendo or third parties should have made fewer casual titles, I am saying third parties should have looked on the internet in 2005-6 and seen where all the excitement was pointed and started development on Wii games.

It's too late now. (As I said earlier)

The other problem with this scenario is, Nintendo's just going to get bigger and bigger by having their market all to themselves. At the same time, outside the walls of Nintendo's world, as you point out, third parties are going to start downsizing, merging or outright collapsing because development costs have reached the point where a single high profile bomb can destroy an entire company. Don't laugh, folks, Flagship Studios was literally sunk by the failure of Hellgate: London (granted it was a PC game, but the problem is the same). The end result? The balance of power is going to swing so far in Nintendo's favour, it just might give them what they need to re-enact Yamauchi-era policies, which would be bad for everyone.

 



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I'm actually really going to agree with Steven. I'm not really a fan of Nintendo's first party offerings, and had they snagged some core titles that I'd be genuinely interested in, I'd have been on the Wii bandwagon @launch. His analysis of those games really resonates with how I view the Wii right now. I just get that "kiddish" vibe from everything the Wii has to offer :x



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steven787 said:

 

(These are all upcoming PS2 games)

 

Why not port them to Wii? I know they would only sell 200-300k copies, but it can't possibly cost that much to port them, and they probably wouldn't sell much more on PS2 anyway.

Compare their install base with the fact that the PS2 is still selling like wildfire and you will know. Hell, the console is even getting the next Guitar Hero and Rock Band. There is still a total of 80 games coming out for it this year. It's success  sometimesmakes me think twice about this ten year plan that Sony keeps mentioning.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/895/895917p1.html

 

 



perpride said:
steven787 said:

(These are all upcoming PS2 games)

 

Why not port them to Wii? I know they would only sell 200-300k copies, but it can't possibly cost that much to port them, and they probably wouldn't sell much more on PS2 anyway.

Compare their install base with the fact that the PS2 is still selling like wildfire and you will know. Hell, the console is even getting the next Guitar Hero and Rock Band. There is still a total of 80 games coming out for it this year. It's success  sometimesmakes me think twice about this ten year plan that Sony keeps mentioning.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/895/895917p1.html

 

 

 

This wasn't a knock at PS2, it's a question of why not on Wii.

If you are not interested in the Wii (to play or discuss) why do you post?

I understand it has a larger install base.  You're very observant.  I gave a modest projection of sales on Wii, and asked "why not?".

These are other posts about Wii from you:

In reference to Wii edging towards 50%:

  • "Soon, PlayStation will be at 75% again."

In reference to the name Wii:

  • "Hate it."

In reference to GTA on Wii:

  • "That would be so stupid."

In reference to RE5 on Wii:

  • "Nope...I'm hoping the game will be far superior to anything that the Wii hardware can handle."

 

If you're going to add something, feel free to... I am no fan boy.  I like my Wii, but as you can tell from my previous posts I am not blindly devoted to it.

If you're going to troll do it in someone else's thread.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

steven787 said:
perpride said:
steven787 said:

(These are all upcoming PS2 games)

 

Why not port them to Wii? I know they would only sell 200-300k copies, but it can't possibly cost that much to port them, and they probably wouldn't sell much more on PS2 anyway.

Compare their install base with the fact that the PS2 is still selling like wildfire and you will know. Hell, the console is even getting the next Guitar Hero and Rock Band. There is still a total of 80 games coming out for it this year. It's success sometimesmakes me think twice about this ten year plan that Sony keeps mentioning.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/895/895917p1.html

 

 

 

This wasn't a knock at PS2, it's a question of why not on Wii.

If you are not interested in the Wii (to play or discuss) why do you post?

I understand it has a larger install base. You're very observant. I gave a modest projection of sales on Wii, and asked "why not?".

These are other posts about Wii from you:

In reference to Wii edging towards 50%:

  • "Soon, PlayStation will be at 75% again."

In reference to the name Wii:

  • "Hate it."

In reference to GTA on Wii:

  • "That would be so stupid."

In reference to RE5 on Wii:

  • "Nope...I'm hoping the game will be far superior to anything that the Wii hardware can handle."

 

If you're going to add something, feel free to... I am no fan boy. I like my Wii, but as you can tell from my previous posts I am not blindly devoted to it.

If you're going to troll do it in someone else's thread.

Dude I wasn't even trolling on you. I was simply saying why I think they are being made for PS2. I did not try and give a reason why they are not ported to Wii because that is a completely different story. So truthfuly I did not at any point say that a Wii version would be a bad idea or anything like that. In fact, I did not realize how directly you were talking about the Wii untill you said "This wasn't a knock at PS2, it's a question of why not on Wii." I understand that I should be doublechecking these things but I am usually posting from a cellphone so I don't really catch the little "nintendo disscussion" part.

Also, bringing past posts up does not prove anything about me. I'm hoping you realized the sarcasm in the sales comment about PS3 since most gamers have now come to terms with Wii's ground. Comments that I have made about individual subjective threads have no place in a new disscussion. I never thought people would be so repelled by anything that might go against what they believe. I could have just as easily come into this, thrown in some fanbait and watched your thread go up in flames.

So I apoligize if I offended you or Nintendo.



perpride said:
steven787 said:
perpride said:
steven787 said:

(These are all upcoming PS2 games)

 

Why not port them to Wii? I know they would only sell 200-300k copies, but it can't possibly cost that much to port them, and they probably wouldn't sell much more on PS2 anyway.

Compare their install base with the fact that the PS2 is still selling like wildfire and you will know. Hell, the console is even getting the next Guitar Hero and Rock Band. There is still a total of 80 games coming out for it this year. It's success sometimesmakes me think twice about this ten year plan that Sony keeps mentioning.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/895/895917p1.html

 

 

 

This wasn't a knock at PS2, it's a question of why not on Wii.

If you are not interested in the Wii (to play or discuss) why do you post?

I understand it has a larger install base. You're very observant. I gave a modest projection of sales on Wii, and asked "why not?".

These are other posts about Wii from you:

In reference to Wii edging towards 50%:

  • "Soon, PlayStation will be at 75% again."

In reference to the name Wii:

  • "Hate it."

In reference to GTA on Wii:

  • "That would be so stupid."

In reference to RE5 on Wii:

  • "Nope...I'm hoping the game will be far superior to anything that the Wii hardware can handle."

 

If you're going to add something, feel free to... I am no fan boy. I like my Wii, but as you can tell from my previous posts I am not blindly devoted to it.

If you're going to troll do it in someone else's thread.

Dude I wasn't even trolling on you. I was simply saying why I think they are being made for PS2. I did not try and give a reason why they are not ported to Wii because that is a completely different story. So truthfuly I did not at any point say that a Wii version would be a bad idea or anything like that. In fact, I did not realize how directly you were talking about the Wii untill you said "This wasn't a knock at PS2, it's a question of why not on Wii." I understand that I should be doublechecking these things but I am usually posting from a cellphone so I don't really catch the little "nintendo disscussion" part.

Also, bringing past posts up does not prove anything about me. I'm hoping you realized the sarcasm in the sales comment about PS3 since most gamers have now come to terms with Wii's ground. Comments that I have made about individual subjective threads have no place in a new disscussion. I never thought people would be so repelled by anything that might go against what they believe. I could have just as easily come into this, thrown in some fanbait and watched your thread go up in flames.

So I apoligize if I offended you or Nintendo.

 

I'm not upset you don't agree.  I am upset because you posted a comment about a different topic completely to try and push some wierd fanboy agenda talking about "ten year plans"and knowing the number of PS2 releases for the remainder of 08 off the top of your head.

Honestly if you look earlier in the thread, you'll see trolls I didn't respond to.  You have good sentence structure and your point was actually well made (though off topic).  I was being genuine in my request for you to join in on topic.  Take it as a compliment.

I would (and do often) do the same thing to fanboys/troll for other consoles.

To be honest, you also have some off color comments about 360 in your history.  I hate all the consoles (and my PC) equally.  It's all just hardware that gets in the way off my game purchasing.


Sorry for wording it so harshly.  Sorry for misjudging your character, if you're being genuine.

 



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

steven787 said:
iamfanboy said:
This is exactly why I recently purchased an HD console. I love Nintendo made games but they will never break out of their stereotype. It doesn't matter if the Wii sells 5 times what they're doing now... they will always get the shaft from third parties (majority) when it comes to T/M rated games.

It's been what... two years now, and again Nintendo will run the show.

Damn, Nintendo's awesome!!! They should invest in expanding their game divisions exponentially, ban third parties all together and do what they do best!

Now it's too late, too many Wii owners are already multi-system owners or planning to be.

Epic fail. There are less than 2% console owners that own more than 1 console.