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Onyxmeth on 06 August 2008
I_own_a_PS3 said:
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
JRPG's are niche market games. FF series is only JRPG series that is mainstream.

Dragon Quest(Mostly Japan, but also sells fairly well in the West, just not as good as it does in Japan), Star Ocean, Monster Hunter(Mostly Japan) Tales of(prety mainstream, the last title sold over 1mln WW) and Pokemon(especially, actually more mainstream than FF) are some other Mainstream Jrpgs. So I wouldn't say that.

 

 

Obviously JRPG's will sell well in Japan. I only count the US and European countries. The West is the only thing that matters to me. What happens in Japan regarding sales means nothing to me.

While what you said is going to come out ignorant, I'm going to flesh out your point a little. If these RPGs sell heavy in Japan only, it will force publishers to make hard decisions whether localization efforts are worth the other two terrritories' sales. Obviously Final Fantasy and Pokemon don't have these issues, but many other RPGs do with the added HD cost and lower returns.

 



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Riachu on 06 August 2008
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
JRPG's are niche market games. FF series is only JRPG series that is mainstream.

Dragon Quest(Mostly Japan, but also sells fairly well in the West, just not as good as it does in Japan), Star Ocean, Monster Hunter(Mostly Japan) Tales of(prety mainstream, the last title sold over 1mln WW) and Pokemon(especially, actually more mainstream than FF) are some other Mainstream Jrpgs. So I wouldn't say that.

 

You got him there.  The only series that you listed that don't sell in the West are Monster Hunter and Tales(for the most part anyway).  Some of the other ones sell 500K or more in the West(Star Ocean and Dragon Quest) and others are multimillion sellers in the West(Final Fantasy, Pokemon, Kingdom Hearts)

 



 

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sc94597 on 06 August 2008
I_own_a_PS3 said:
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
JRPG's are niche market games. FF series is only JRPG series that is mainstream.

Dragon Quest(Mostly Japan, but also sells fairly well in the West, just not as good as it does in Japan), Star Ocean, Monster Hunter(Mostly Japan) Tales of(prety mainstream, the last title sold over 1mln WW) and Pokemon(especially, actually more mainstream than FF) are some other Mainstream Jrpgs. So I wouldn't say that.

 

 

Obviously JRPG's will sell well in Japan. I only count the US and European countries. The West is the only thing that matters to me. What happens in Japan regarding sales means nothing to me.

Actually the last tales game sold more in the U.S than Japan, the last star ocean the same, and pokemon sells millions everywhere. As for dragon quest the last in the series sold about 1mln in terms of Western sales in the west so I would also consider that more of a mainstream Jrpg. Especially when its the 3rd best selling Jrpg series after final fantasy, and after pokemon.

@Onyxmeth Sorry, some sites refer to it as an action game others refer to it as a hacknslash rpg. I guess it could be considered both but it does play more like an action game, but that is basically what Arpgs are. Action games with rpg elements.

 



sc94597 on 06 August 2008
Riachu said:
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
JRPG's are niche market games. FF series is only JRPG series that is mainstream.

Dragon Quest(Mostly Japan, but also sells fairly well in the West, just not as good as it does in Japan), Star Ocean, Monster Hunter(Mostly Japan) Tales of(prety mainstream, the last title sold over 1mln WW) and Pokemon(especially, actually more mainstream than FF) are some other Mainstream Jrpgs. So I wouldn't say that.

 

You got him there.  The only series that you listed that don't sell in the West are Monster Hunter and Tales(for the most part anyway).  Some of the other ones sell 500K or more in the West(Star Ocean and Dragon Quest) and others are multimillion sellers in the West(Final Fantasy, Pokemon, Kingdom Hearts)

 

I forgot about Kingdom Hearts. ToS sold pretty well in the west, and I expect the same from ToS Dawn of the new world, and ToV. It really doesn't matter though, because I don't really think it has to sell well in the west to be mainstream unless we are only counting the west. I'm pretty sure WW sales matter more when talking about Mainstream unless you specify a region.

 



Riachu on 06 August 2008
sc94597 said:
Riachu said:
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
JRPG's are niche market games. FF series is only JRPG series that is mainstream.

Dragon Quest(Mostly Japan, but also sells fairly well in the West, just not as good as it does in Japan), Star Ocean, Monster Hunter(Mostly Japan) Tales of(prety mainstream, the last title sold over 1mln WW) and Pokemon(especially, actually more mainstream than FF) are some other Mainstream Jrpgs. So I wouldn't say that.

 

You got him there. The only series that you listed that don't sell in the West are Monster Hunter and Tales(for the most part anyway). Some of the other ones sell 500K or more in the West(Star Ocean and Dragon Quest) and others are multimillion sellers in the West(Final Fantasy, Pokemon, Kingdom Hearts)

 

I forgot about Kingdom Hearts. ToS sold pretty well in the west, and I expect the same from ToS Dawn of the new world, and ToV. It really doesn't matter though, because I don't really think it has to sell well in the west to be mainstream unless we are only counting the west. I'm pretty sure WW sales matter more when talking about Mainstream unless you specify a region.

 

ToS:DotNW, I see selling well in the West.  ToV, on the other hand, not so much.  360 owners will probably choose Infinite Undiscovery in the end.  ToV:anime art style, IU:realistic art style

 

360 owners prefer the latter art style

 



 

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ClaudeLv250 on 06 August 2008
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
JRPG's are niche market games. FF series is only JRPG series that is mainstream.

Dragon Quest(Mostly Japan, but also sells fairly well in the West, just not as good as it does in Japan), Star Ocean, Monster Hunter(Mostly Japan) Tales of(prety mainstream, the last title sold over 1mln WW) and Pokemon(especially, actually more mainstream than FF) are some other Mainstream Jrpgs. So I wouldn't say that.

 

 

Obviously JRPG's will sell well in Japan. I only count the US and European countries. The West is the only thing that matters to me. What happens in Japan regarding sales means nothing to me.

Actually the last tales game sold more in the U.S than Japan, the last star ocean the same, and pokemon sells millions everywhere. As for dragon quest the last in the series sold about 1mln in terms of Western sales in the west so I would also consider that more of a mainstream Jrpg. Especially when its the 3rd best selling Jrpg series after final fantasy, and after pokemon.

@Onyxmeth Sorry, some sites refer to it as an action game others refer to it as a hacknslash rpg. I guess it could be considered both but it does play more like an action game, but that is basically what Arpgs are. Action games with rpg elements.

 

The last Tales didn't even get released in the US so I'm not even sure where you got that from.

 



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Riachu on 06 August 2008
ClaudeLv250 said:
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
JRPG's are niche market games. FF series is only JRPG series that is mainstream.

Dragon Quest(Mostly Japan, but also sells fairly well in the West, just not as good as it does in Japan), Star Ocean, Monster Hunter(Mostly Japan) Tales of(prety mainstream, the last title sold over 1mln WW) and Pokemon(especially, actually more mainstream than FF) are some other Mainstream Jrpgs. So I wouldn't say that.

 

 

Obviously JRPG's will sell well in Japan. I only count the US and European countries. The West is the only thing that matters to me. What happens in Japan regarding sales means nothing to me.

Actually the last tales game sold more in the U.S than Japan, the last star ocean the same, and pokemon sells millions everywhere. As for dragon quest the last in the series sold about 1mln in terms of Western sales in the west so I would also consider that more of a mainstream Jrpg. Especially when its the 3rd best selling Jrpg series after final fantasy, and after pokemon.

@Onyxmeth Sorry, some sites refer to it as an action game others refer to it as a hacknslash rpg. I guess it could be considered both but it does play more like an action game, but that is basically what Arpgs are. Action games with rpg elements.

 

The last Tales didn't even get released in the US so I'm not even sure where you got that from.

 

He is talking about ToS.  That wasn't even the last Tales game release in American.  Tales of the World was the last Tales game released in America

 



 

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sc94597 on 06 August 2008
ClaudeLv250 said:
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
sc94597 said:
I_own_a_PS3 said:
JRPG's are niche market games. FF series is only JRPG series that is mainstream.

Dragon Quest(Mostly Japan, but also sells fairly well in the West, just not as good as it does in Japan), Star Ocean, Monster Hunter(Mostly Japan) Tales of(prety mainstream, the last title sold over 1mln WW) and Pokemon(especially, actually more mainstream than FF) are some other Mainstream Jrpgs. So I wouldn't say that.

 

 

Obviously JRPG's will sell well in Japan. I only count the US and European countries. The West is the only thing that matters to me. What happens in Japan regarding sales means nothing to me.

Actually the last tales game sold more in the U.S than Japan, the last star ocean the same, and pokemon sells millions everywhere. As for dragon quest the last in the series sold about 1mln in terms of Western sales in the west so I would also consider that more of a mainstream Jrpg. Especially when its the 3rd best selling Jrpg series after final fantasy, and after pokemon.

@Onyxmeth Sorry, some sites refer to it as an action game others refer to it as a hacknslash rpg. I guess it could be considered both but it does play more like an action game, but that is basically what Arpgs are. Action games with rpg elements.

 

The last Tales didn't even get released in the US so I'm not even sure where you got that from.

 

Oops sorry I meant console tales, but then just realized tales of the abyss,rebirth, and legendia was released after symphonia. I meant symphonia though.

 



ZenfoldorVGI on 07 August 2008

JRPGs aren't niche in the way some have described. Most early adopters of Sony consoles have planned for JRPG support. Especially with the PS2 where the anticipated games of early adopters was FFX and MGS2. As a genre, I wouldn't be surprised if JRPGs and SRPGs combined outsold platformers, wrpgs, or shooters. There is a distinct difference of taste in early adopting core audiences, bandwagon jumpers, and late 3rd party support based casual adopters.

Claiming JRPGs don't matter is some sort of weird new anti-360 fanboy rhetoric. You should ask the Sony core what they think of JRPGs, and Japanese support in general. See what they tell ya.

See if they'd turn down a FFVII remake or Disgaea 3, for Killzone 2. (For my money, I have a feeling that most would rather have Tales of Vespiria than Killzone 2 in the end, but we'll have to wait and see on that one.)

Saying JRPGs are niche AND that they don't matter is single minded, cherrypicking, ignorant, propoganda.

 

 

I mean, JRPG's must be niche right. I mean nobody I know has a passionate opinion about the FF series, or has ever heard of games like Chrono Trigger, Kingdom Hearts, Disgaea, Earthbound, Fire Emblem, or Secret of Mana. Those people, who know of such things, must be in some dark corner of the internet discussing them with the other guy who knows of such things.



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Shadowblind on 07 August 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:

JRPGs aren't niche in the way some have described. Most early adopters of Sony consoles have planned for JRPG support. Especially with the PS2 where the anticipated games of early adopters was FFX and MGS2. As a genre, I wouldn't be surprised if JRPGs and SRPGs combined outsold platformers, wrpgs, or shooters. There is a distinct difference of taste in early adopting core audiences, bandwagon jumpers, and late 3rd party support based casual adopters.

Claiming JRPGs don't matter is some sort of weird new anti-360 fanboy rhetoric. You should ask the Sony core what they think of JRPGs, and Japanese support in general. See what they tell ya.

See if they'd turn down a FFVII remake or Disgaea 3, for Killzone 2. (For my money, I have a feeling that most would rather have Tales of Vespiria than Killzone 2 in the end, but we'll have to wait and see on that one.)

Saying JRPGs are niche AND that they don't matter is single minded, cherrypicking, ignorant, propoganda.

 

 

I mean, JRPG's must be niche right. I mean nobody I know has a passionate opinion about the FF series, or has ever heard of games like Chrono Trigger, Kingdom Hearts, Disgaea, Earthbound, Fire Emblem, or Secret of Mana. Those people, who know of such things, must be in some dark corner of the internet discussing them with the other guy who knows of such things.

 

 Kinda like Final fantasy XIII. Nobody gave two hoots about versus until XIII was announced for 360, and you know how absolutely important versus seems to be now.

 

Its anti-360 JRPG, not anti-JRPG.



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