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crumas2 on 01 August 2008
Ragestash said:
crumas2 said:
BenKenobi88 said:

Yup, as long as you're willing to pay, you'll pay.

XBL might be the best service currently (not my opinion), but that shouldn't mean you should pay for it. It should factor into the cost of the console when you buy it...of course there's people working 24/7 for Live...just as there are people working for PSN and Nintendo...? (they probably sleep at night on piles of money hehe).

PC gaming is totally free and is way more expansive than console services...and we don't pay to play. If Games for Windows launched free, it might have done better...though probably not because it's sloppy, only really features a few games, and is pretty much pointless.

$40 a year isn't that much, so you probably don't care to throw it down...it'd be stupid to boycott and miss out on the XBL features, after all...but if everyone did stop using XBL and gave Microsoft a ton of negative press...they'd pretty much have to cut the price.

 

PC gaming is definitely not free. Blizzard makes you buy a WOW package and then adds injury to insult by charging a $15/month fee. I've visited plenty of "free" online sites, but you have to consider that the publisher subsidizes the use of the online service by charging for the game.

 

 

There's better Mmos out there with no subscription fees.

I've tried several of the "free" sites, but to get to most of the world you have to pay for a membership.  I would be very happy to know of a free MMO where you can get to the entire game world without paying anything.

 



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crumas2 on 01 August 2008
bobobologna said:
crumas2 said:
BenKenobi88 said:

Yup, as long as you're willing to pay, you'll pay.

XBL might be the best service currently (not my opinion), but that shouldn't mean you should pay for it. It should factor into the cost of the console when you buy it...of course there's people working 24/7 for Live...just as there are people working for PSN and Nintendo...? (they probably sleep at night on piles of money hehe).

PC gaming is totally free and is way more expansive than console services...and we don't pay to play. If Games for Windows launched free, it might have done better...though probably not because it's sloppy, only really features a few games, and is pretty much pointless.

$40 a year isn't that much, so you probably don't care to throw it down...it'd be stupid to boycott and miss out on the XBL features, after all...but if everyone did stop using XBL and gave Microsoft a ton of negative press...they'd pretty much have to cut the price.

 

PC gaming is definitely not free. Blizzard makes you buy a WOW package and then adds injury to insult by charging a $15/month fee. I've visited plenty of "free" online sites, but you have to consider that the publisher subsidizes the use of the online service by charging for the game.

 

 

Um, you realize that WOW is an MMO. And that on TOP of XBox Live Gold fees, you have to also pay monthly fees to play FFXI (another MMO) on the XBox360.

 

Well, now that is a good point.  I didn't realize that FFXI had two fee layers.  I've played Halo3, etc. on XboxLive and didn't have to pay additional fees so I incorrectly assumed this was true for all XboxLive gaming.  What other XboxLive games, besides FFXI have this dual-fee structure?

 



bobobologna on 01 August 2008
crumas2 said:
bobobologna said:
crumas2 said:
BenKenobi88 said:

Yup, as long as you're willing to pay, you'll pay.

XBL might be the best service currently (not my opinion), but that shouldn't mean you should pay for it. It should factor into the cost of the console when you buy it...of course there's people working 24/7 for Live...just as there are people working for PSN and Nintendo...? (they probably sleep at night on piles of money hehe).

PC gaming is totally free and is way more expansive than console services...and we don't pay to play. If Games for Windows launched free, it might have done better...though probably not because it's sloppy, only really features a few games, and is pretty much pointless.

$40 a year isn't that much, so you probably don't care to throw it down...it'd be stupid to boycott and miss out on the XBL features, after all...but if everyone did stop using XBL and gave Microsoft a ton of negative press...they'd pretty much have to cut the price.

 

PC gaming is definitely not free. Blizzard makes you buy a WOW package and then adds injury to insult by charging a $15/month fee. I've visited plenty of "free" online sites, but you have to consider that the publisher subsidizes the use of the online service by charging for the game.

 

 

Um, you realize that WOW is an MMO. And that on TOP of XBox Live Gold fees, you have to also pay monthly fees to play FFXI (another MMO) on the XBox360.

 

Well, now that is a good point. I didn't realize that FFXI had two fee layers. I've played Halo3, etc. on XboxLive and didn't have to pay additional fees so I incorrectly assumed this was true for all XboxLive gaming. What other XboxLive games, besides FFXI have this dual-fee structure?

 

 

Phantasy Star Universe.  PSU and FFXI are the only MMOs that I can think of that have been put out on consoles.



Griffin on 01 August 2008
BenKenobi88 said:

Yup, as long as you're willing to pay, you'll pay.

XBL might be the best service currently (not my opinion), but that shouldn't mean you should pay for it. It should factor into the cost of the console when you buy it...of course there's people working 24/7 for Live...just as there are people working for PSN and Nintendo...? (they probably sleep at night on piles of money hehe).

PC gaming is totally free and is way more expansive than console services...and we don't pay to play. If Games for Windows launched free, it might have done better...though probably not because it's sloppy, only really features a few games, and is pretty much pointless.

$40 a year isn't that much, so you probably don't care to throw it down...it'd be stupid to boycott and miss out on the XBL features, after all...but if everyone did stop using XBL and gave Microsoft a ton of negative press...they'd pretty much have to cut the price.

PC gaming is not totally free, look at the upwards of 10mil users who pay $180 each year to play WoW.  Plus there are countless other games that make you pay for service.

 



badgenome on 01 August 2008
crumas2 said:
bobobologna said:
crumas2 said:
BenKenobi88 said:

Yup, as long as you're willing to pay, you'll pay.

XBL might be the best service currently (not my opinion), but that shouldn't mean you should pay for it. It should factor into the cost of the console when you buy it...of course there's people working 24/7 for Live...just as there are people working for PSN and Nintendo...? (they probably sleep at night on piles of money hehe).

PC gaming is totally free and is way more expansive than console services...and we don't pay to play. If Games for Windows launched free, it might have done better...though probably not because it's sloppy, only really features a few games, and is pretty much pointless.

$40 a year isn't that much, so you probably don't care to throw it down...it'd be stupid to boycott and miss out on the XBL features, after all...but if everyone did stop using XBL and gave Microsoft a ton of negative press...they'd pretty much have to cut the price.

 

PC gaming is definitely not free. Blizzard makes you buy a WOW package and then adds injury to insult by charging a $15/month fee. I've visited plenty of "free" online sites, but you have to consider that the publisher subsidizes the use of the online service by charging for the game.

 

 

Um, you realize that WOW is an MMO. And that on TOP of XBox Live Gold fees, you have to also pay monthly fees to play FFXI (another MMO) on the XBox360.

 

Well, now that is a good point.  I didn't realize that FFXI had two fee layers.  I've played Halo3, etc. on XboxLive and didn't have to pay additional fees so I incorrectly assumed this was true for all XboxLive gaming.  What other XboxLive games, besides FFXI have this dual-fee structure?

 

Actually, that's wrong. Final Fantasy XI on Live doesn't require Gold membership.

 



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BenKenobi88 on 01 August 2008
Griffin said:
BenKenobi88 said:

up, as long as you're willing to pay, you'll pay.

XBL might be the best service currently (not my opinion), but that shouldn't mean you should pay for it. It should factor into the cost of the console when you buy it...of course there's people working 24/7 for Live...just as there are people working for PSN and Nintendo...? (they probably sleep at night on piles of money hehe).

PC gaming is totally free and is way more expansive than console services...and we don't pay to play. If Games for Windows launched free, it might have done better...though probably not because it's sloppy, only really features a few games, and is pretty much pointless.

$40 a year isn't that much, so you probably don't care to throw it down...it'd be stupid to boycott and miss out on the XBL features, after all...but if everyone did stop using XBL and gave Microsoft a ton of negative press...they'd pretty much have to cut the price.

PC gaming is not totally free, look at the upwards of 10mil users who pay $180 each year to play WoW. Plus there are countless other games that make you pay for service.

 

Sorry, I should have clarified:  Other than MMOs, PC gaming is completely free.  And I guess there's a few random games that make you pay (they're probably crap), but MMOs almost always have monthly fees...this is the nature of MMOs, not PC games. 

If you want to play COD4 vs. some friends on XBL compared to PC though, you don't pay a dime, same goes for every FPS, racer, RTS, whatever.

And trust me, if WoW was on 360, you'd be paying for Live and WoW at the same time, so don't bring MMOs into the equation.



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bobobologna on 01 August 2008
badgenome said:
crumas2 said:
bobobologna said:
crumas2 said:
BenKenobi88 said:

Yup, as long as you're willing to pay, you'll pay.

XBL might be the best service currently (not my opinion), but that shouldn't mean you should pay for it. It should factor into the cost of the console when you buy it...of course there's people working 24/7 for Live...just as there are people working for PSN and Nintendo...? (they probably sleep at night on piles of money hehe).

PC gaming is totally free and is way more expansive than console services...and we don't pay to play. If Games for Windows launched free, it might have done better...though probably not because it's sloppy, only really features a few games, and is pretty much pointless.

$40 a year isn't that much, so you probably don't care to throw it down...it'd be stupid to boycott and miss out on the XBL features, after all...but if everyone did stop using XBL and gave Microsoft a ton of negative press...they'd pretty much have to cut the price.

 

PC gaming is definitely not free. Blizzard makes you buy a WOW package and then adds injury to insult by charging a $15/month fee. I've visited plenty of "free" online sites, but you have to consider that the publisher subsidizes the use of the online service by charging for the game.

 

 

Um, you realize that WOW is an MMO. And that on TOP of XBox Live Gold fees, you have to also pay monthly fees to play FFXI (another MMO) on the XBox360.

 

Well, now that is a good point. I didn't realize that FFXI had two fee layers. I've played Halo3, etc. on XboxLive and didn't have to pay additional fees so I incorrectly assumed this was true for all XboxLive gaming. What other XboxLive games, besides FFXI have this dual-fee structure?

 

Actually, that's wrong. Final Fantasy XI on Live doesn't require Gold membership.

 

 

Oh really?  I did not know, and had assumed that XBox Live Gold was required to play any online game.



badgenome on 01 August 2008

^ Yeah, a lot of people think that. But if there's a subscription fee for the game itself, then you don't need Gold.



crumas2 on 01 August 2008
badgenome said:

^ Yeah, a lot of people think that. But if there's a subscription fee for the game itself, then you don't need Gold.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.



JaggedSac on 01 August 2008
BenKenobi88 said:

Yup, as long as you're willing to pay, you'll pay.

XBL might be the best service currently (not my opinion), but that shouldn't mean you should pay for it. It should factor into the cost of the console when you buy it...of course there's people working 24/7 for Live...just as there are people working for PSN and Nintendo...? (they probably sleep at night on piles of money hehe).

PC gaming is totally free and is way more expansive than console services...and we don't pay to play. If Games for Windows launched free, it might have done better...though probably not because it's sloppy, only really features a few games, and is pretty much pointless.

$40 a year isn't that much, so you probably don't care to throw it down...it'd be stupid to boycott and miss out on the XBL features, after all...but if everyone did stop using XBL and gave Microsoft a ton of negative press...they'd pretty much have to cut the price.

 

LOL.  By the looks of Nintendo's online, it looks like they are just always sleeping.

As for XBox Live, I have the payment automatically debtited every month, in which case I think I am paying $7.99 each month(might be $6.99).  I really do not care either.