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Pristine20 on 24 July 2008
Rock_on_2008 said:
The life cycle I would go for will be up to 7 years. 5 years is too short and 10 years is really stretching it.

Not necessarily. For me, if good ps1 games were still getting released, I'll still be buying them. We all know how it was hard to even discern characters' faces in ps1 games. PS360 graphics don't really need an upgrade. The next gen upgrade will be very minimal anyway because noone is going to be taking a loss on consoles anymore not after sony's fiasco this gen.

 



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Pristine20 on 24 July 2008
Faxanadu said:
this guy has no class. He makes a stupid comment regarding the xbox when he knows that the short run time of that console had nothing to do with MS deciding to stop production or anything similar.

 

 How 'bout the M$ guy who was laughing at nintendo (who is currently taking a dump on both sony and M$)?



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

TWRoO on 24 July 2008

Can we call him "Crazy Kaz" yet?



rocketpig on 24 July 2008

Kaz Hirai needs to do us all a favor and erase the words "10", "year", and "lifecycle" from his memory banks.

It's not your call, Kaz. It's ours. If we stop buying the Playstation 3 after six years, you will be forced to end production of the product. It's that simple. Stop being a jackass.




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Retrasado on 24 July 2008
Pristine20 said:
Rock_on_2008 said:
The life cycle I would go for will be up to 7 years. 5 years is too short and 10 years is really stretching it.

Not necessarily. For me, if good ps1 games were still getting released, I'll still be buying them. We all know how it was hard to even discern characters' faces in ps1 games. PS360 graphics don't really need an upgrade. The next gen upgrade will be very minimal anyway because noone is going to be taking a loss on consoles anymore not after sony's fiasco this gen.

 

this is a statement I don't understand. Until you get to Star Trek Holodeck-style graphics, you can always upgrade them. Also, new possibilities such as real-time or near real-time ray tracing will become possible in the next few years. If they could do that, it would be a lot easier to render realistic lighting on models in the game and thus we would see a noticable jump in the realism. Also, current human models, although they move relatively realistically thanks to mocap, still look pretty bad. Same for a lot of particle effects (I'm looking at the Leviathan level in R2). Also, I think you are wrong about the next gen's upgrade being minimal. For one thing, this gen is likely to last through at least 2011 and maybe even longer. This will give the HW devs more time to wait for prices of new tech to drop. Think about how far graphics cards have come since 2004. That's what today's graphics cards will look like by the end of 2011.

 



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Pristine20 on 24 July 2008
Retrasado said:
Pristine20 said:
Rock_on_2008 said:
The life cycle I would go for will be up to 7 years. 5 years is too short and 10 years is really stretching it.

Not necessarily. For me, if good ps1 games were still getting released, I'll still be buying them. We all know how it was hard to even discern characters' faces in ps1 games. PS360 graphics don't really need an upgrade. The next gen upgrade will be very minimal anyway because noone is going to be taking a loss on consoles anymore not after sony's fiasco this gen.

 

this is a statement I don't understand. Until you get to Star Trek Holodeck-style graphics, you can always upgrade them. Also, new possibilities such as real-time or near real-time ray tracing will become possible in the next few years. If they could do that, it would be a lot easier to render realistic lighting on models in the game and thus we would see a noticable jump in the realism. Also, current human models, although they move relatively realistically thanks to mocap, still look pretty bad. Same for a lot of particle effects (I'm looking at the Leviathan level in R2). Also, I think you are wrong about the next gen's upgrade being minimal. For one thing, this gen is likely to last through at least 2011 and maybe even longer. This will give the HW devs more time to wait for prices of new tech to drop. Think about how far graphics cards have come since 2004. That's what today's graphics cards will look like by the end of 2011.

 

I didn't say you can't upgrade them. Of course you can but its all cost vs benefit. The wii is shitting on HD consoles right now because its graphics are so great right? Some people argue that HD console graphics are unnecessary and they've amped dev costs to ridiculous levels. Hence, this gen is going to be around for a long time and the next gen of consoles won't even see anywhere close to a ridiculous tech boost because like I said, no one is going to take a loss on consoles again. If you want games that look best, get an alienware PC.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Dgc1808 on 24 July 2008
rocketpig said:
Kaz Hirai needs to do us all a favor and erase the words "10", "year", and "lifecycle" from his memory banks.

It's not your call, Kaz. It's ours. If we stop buying the Playstation 3 after six years, you will be forced to end production of the product. It's that simple. Stop being a jackass.

 

Not quite, they can easily continue production and lose billions just to keep their word and over stock the market...



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rocketpig on 24 July 2008
Dgc1808 said:
rocketpig said:
Kaz Hirai needs to do us all a favor and erase the words "10", "year", and "lifecycle" from his memory banks.

It's not your call, Kaz. It's ours. If we stop buying the Playstation 3 after six years, you will be forced to end production of the product. It's that simple. Stop being a jackass.

Not quite, they can easily continue production and lose billions just to keep their word and over stock the market...

True. It would be a pyrrhic victory, but a quite impressive one.

 




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reask on 24 July 2008

I would go with 7 years.



 

 

 

 

EdGuila on 24 July 2008

5 years. Heaven forbid the 360 doesn't roll over and flop at 4 years like it's predecessor or MS will have a very hard time with their next system.



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