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naznatips on 28 June 2007
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
Timmah! said:

As a console does well, more games flock to it. As more games flock to it, the console does even better, so even more games are developed for it...

The snowball has begun to roll...

That's not to say the other consoles won't have some kick-ass games, but when I want graphics I'm going to get a GeForce8800 SLI rig and make PS3 and X360 look like nothing. I'll probably still play the wii more though.


A little off topic but good luck playing Resident Evil 5, Gears of War 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy 13, Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, and the many other exclusives of those systems on your high-end PC. Don't get me wrong the PC has some good games coming like Crysis (2007?)and Starcraft 2 (2008?), but there are still a lot of good stuff you'll be missing out on and that can only be experienced on those consoles.


I do agree, Legend, but the 360 and PS3 represent a semi-akward middle ground. Here's an argument to explain what I mean.

Person 1: "I care about graphics!"

Person 2: "Okay then, get a PC."

Person 1: "But I need a lot of exclusive games. Sure the PC has some, but I want lots."

Person 2: "Oh, you want a lot of games? Then I'd recommend getting a Wii. It's going to have the most exclusive games."

Person 1: "But the graphics aren't good enough!"

In other words, 360/PS3 have more games than the PC, but less than the Wii; 360/PS3 has better graphics than the Wii, but worse than the PC. The two consoles get sandwhiched in between, and I think it's to their detriment.

With that said, the 360/PS3 (I think especially the 360, your console of choice) are going to have many great games over their lifespan, and if you happen to care about the 360/PS3's great games more than the PC/Wiis, then more power to you.


Very good analysis of the situation Bod.  And yeah, you're right legend you'll miss some good games... but you'll still get games like Bioshock and Assasin's Creed.  A lot of big games are going PS3, 360, PC because of the lack of sales on big budget titles in order to try and turn a profit.



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Legend11 on 28 June 2007
Fuzzmosis said:
Legend, for those games, don't they have a history of being ported to PC? Epic did Gears, so it's not a huge step. Final Fantasy has, same with Metal Gear, GTA, even Resident Evil.

With games like Crysis and such, and more and more joyful PC technology comming out, it wouldn't shock me if some things come out for PC again.

Lets see...

Gears of War - Epic may have made it but Microsoft controls what platforms it goes on and if Halo and Halo 2 are any indication it'll be awhile before it ever shows up on PC (if it does).

Final Fantasy - Lets see, Final Fantasy 9, 10, and 12 aren't on PC so how does that bode for Final Fantasy 13 being on PC?

Metal Gear Solid 3 - Released in 2004 and still not on PC.

Resident Evil - Resident Evil 4's port to the PC was well atrocious.  So even assuming that Resident Evil 5 appears on PC (which isn't a given) it's not a given that the experience will be the same as on the PS3/360.

Grand Theft Audo 4 - Even if it does go to the PC within 7-8 months after the console releases it still won't have the exclusive episodic content that the 360 version will have.



Legend11 on 28 June 2007
naznatips said:
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
Timmah! said:

As a console does well, more games flock to it. As more games flock to it, the console does even better, so even more games are developed for it...

The snowball has begun to roll...

That's not to say the other consoles won't have some kick-ass games, but when I want graphics I'm going to get a GeForce8800 SLI rig and make PS3 and X360 look like nothing. I'll probably still play the wii more though.


A little off topic but good luck playing Resident Evil 5, Gears of War 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy 13, Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, and the many other exclusives of those systems on your high-end PC. Don't get me wrong the PC has some good games coming like Crysis (2007?)and Starcraft 2 (2008?), but there are still a lot of good stuff you'll be missing out on and that can only be experienced on those consoles.


I do agree, Legend, but the 360 and PS3 represent a semi-akward middle ground. Here's an argument to explain what I mean.

Person 1: "I care about graphics!"

Person 2: "Okay then, get a PC."

Person 1: "But I need a lot of exclusive games. Sure the PC has some, but I want lots."

Person 2: "Oh, you want a lot of games? Then I'd recommend getting a Wii. It's going to have the most exclusive games."

Person 1: "But the graphics aren't good enough!"

In other words, 360/PS3 have more games than the PC, but less than the Wii; 360/PS3 has better graphics than the Wii, but worse than the PC. The two consoles get sandwhiched in between, and I think it's to their detriment.

With that said, the 360/PS3 (I think especially the 360, your console of choice) are going to have many great games over their lifespan, and if you happen to care about the 360/PS3's great games more than the PC/Wiis, then more power to you.


Very good analysis of the situation Bod.  And yeah, you're right legend you'll miss some good games... but you'll still get games like Bioshock and Assasin's Creed.  A lot of big games are going PS3, 360, PC because of the lack of sales on big budget titles in order to try and turn a profit.


That's why I mentioned the exclusives and not the multi-platform titles.



Legend11 on 28 June 2007
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
Timmah! said:

As a console does well, more games flock to it. As more games flock to it, the console does even better, so even more games are developed for it...

The snowball has begun to roll...

That's not to say the other consoles won't have some kick-ass games, but when I want graphics I'm going to get a GeForce8800 SLI rig and make PS3 and X360 look like nothing. I'll probably still play the wii more though.


A little off topic but good luck playing Resident Evil 5, Gears of War 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy 13, Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, and the many other exclusives of those systems on your high-end PC. Don't get me wrong the PC has some good games coming like Crysis (2007?)and Starcraft 2 (2008?), but there are still a lot of good stuff you'll be missing out on and that can only be experienced on those consoles.


 I do agree, Legend, but the 360 and PS3 represent a semi-akward middle ground.  Here's an argument to explain what I mean.

Person 1: "I care about graphics!"

Person 2: "Okay then, get a PC."

Person 1: "But I need a lot of exclusive games. Sure the PC has some, but I want lots."

Person 2: "Oh, you want a lot of games? Then I'd recommend getting a Wii. It's going to have the most exclusive games."

Person 1: "But the graphics aren't good enough!" 

In other words, 360/PS3 have more games than the PC, but less than the Wii; 360/PS3 has better graphics than the Wii, but worse than the PC. The two consoles get sandwhiched in between, and I think it's to their detriment.

With that said, the 360/PS3 (I think especially the 360, your console of choice) are going to have many great games over their lifespan, and if you happen to care about the 360/PS3's great games more than the PC/Wiis, then more power to you. 


Your conversation between Person 1 and Person 2 doesn't actually make any sense. 



vanguardian1 on 28 June 2007

Thankfully, even as a core-gamer, I have no interest in any of those titles (Final Fantasy 12 and the main series new direction killed my interest in the series, I'm now only interested in the Crystal Chronicles and Tactics A2 spinoff games).



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johnlucas on 28 June 2007
Xyrax said:

Yeah I had just come to post that. Here is more information on this topic. Alot more detail here including some mighty damaging words from Square for PS3.

[snip out]

Link: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173230.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;3

Funny how Companies can shift so quickly. Its the GC/N64 all over again. Square isnt going to make the games or RELEASE their big games (FF13) until the userbase grows to an acceptable amount to support the budget they are putting behind it. They are also not counting out making it multi platform. However nothing slows down console sales like a LACK of those very same big games (FF13. What happens is it takes a long time and the console sales suffer greatly during that time. Eventually the games come but its far to late by then.


That sounds like something I said before. Should I? Think I should?

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Bodhesatva on 28 June 2007
Legend11 said:
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
Timmah! said:

As a console does well, more games flock to it. As more games flock to it, the console does even better, so even more games are developed for it...

The snowball has begun to roll...

That's not to say the other consoles won't have some kick-ass games, but when I want graphics I'm going to get a GeForce8800 SLI rig and make PS3 and X360 look like nothing. I'll probably still play the wii more though.


A little off topic but good luck playing Resident Evil 5, Gears of War 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy 13, Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, and the many other exclusives of those systems on your high-end PC. Don't get me wrong the PC has some good games coming like Crysis (2007?)and Starcraft 2 (2008?), but there are still a lot of good stuff you'll be missing out on and that can only be experienced on those consoles.


I do agree, Legend, but the 360 and PS3 represent a semi-akward middle ground. Here's an argument to explain what I mean.

Person 1: "I care about graphics!"

Person 2: "Okay then, get a PC."

Person 1: "But I need a lot of exclusive games. Sure the PC has some, but I want lots."

Person 2: "Oh, you want a lot of games? Then I'd recommend getting a Wii. It's going to have the most exclusive games."

Person 1: "But the graphics aren't good enough!"

In other words, 360/PS3 have more games than the PC, but less than the Wii; 360/PS3 has better graphics than the Wii, but worse than the PC. The two consoles get sandwhiched in between, and I think it's to their detriment.

With that said, the 360/PS3 (I think especially the 360, your console of choice) are going to have many great games over their lifespan, and if you happen to care about the 360/PS3's great games more than the PC/Wiis, then more power to you.


Your conversation between Person 1 and Person 2 doesn't actually make any sense.


 Can you explain why not? It's absolutely reasonable from my perspective.



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rocketpig on 28 June 2007

I think that Japanese devs will focus on the Wii first, 360 second, and PS3 will come much later.

Why? The Wii is enormously popular in Japan (and to a slighly lesser extent, the rest of the world) and the 360 is easy to develop for, easy to add DLC, easy to do *everything* for.

Basically, I see a MS price drop in the next few months but it won't help against the Wii onslaught. This war is WON. Nintendo, again, showed their prowess tuning themselves to gamers. It's been awhile but thank you, Nintendo. We missed you.

Now it's up for second place. I think MS has it tied up in spades. A simple price drop, Halo 3, GTA IV, and Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc. and they have this holiday season. That's all they need to beat Sony.

I look forward to generation eight. We've seen a transition in console gaming and it's all because of Nintendo.

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Legend11 on 28 June 2007
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
Bodhesatva said:
Legend11 said:
Timmah! said:

As a console does well, more games flock to it. As more games flock to it, the console does even better, so even more games are developed for it...

The snowball has begun to roll...

That's not to say the other consoles won't have some kick-ass games, but when I want graphics I'm going to get a GeForce8800 SLI rig and make PS3 and X360 look like nothing. I'll probably still play the wii more though.


A little off topic but good luck playing Resident Evil 5, Gears of War 2, Grand Theft Auto 4, Mass Effect, Final Fantasy 13, Gran Turismo 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, and the many other exclusives of those systems on your high-end PC. Don't get me wrong the PC has some good games coming like Crysis (2007?)and Starcraft 2 (2008?), but there are still a lot of good stuff you'll be missing out on and that can only be experienced on those consoles.


I do agree, Legend, but the 360 and PS3 represent a semi-akward middle ground. Here's an argument to explain what I mean.

Person 1: "I care about graphics!"

Person 2: "Okay then, get a PC."

Person 1: "But I need a lot of exclusive games. Sure the PC has some, but I want lots."

Person 2: "Oh, you want a lot of games? Then I'd recommend getting a Wii. It's going to have the most exclusive games."

Person 1: "But the graphics aren't good enough!"

In other words, 360/PS3 have more games than the PC, but less than the Wii; 360/PS3 has better graphics than the Wii, but worse than the PC. The two consoles get sandwhiched in between, and I think it's to their detriment.

With that said, the 360/PS3 (I think especially the 360, your console of choice) are going to have many great games over their lifespan, and if you happen to care about the 360/PS3's great games more than the PC/Wiis, then more power to you.


Your conversation between Person 1 and Person 2 doesn't actually make any sense.


 Can you explain why not? It's absolutely reasonable from my perspective.


Conversation broken down logically:

Statement A: "I care about graphics" (excludes the Wii)

Statement B: "I want lots of exclusives" (includes the Wii)

Statement A AND Statement B (excludes the Wii)

Yet in your conversation Person 2 recommends a Wii to Person 1 when it was already excluded, that's why it doesn't make any sense.

Now hopefully this thread gets back on topic.



Legend11 on 28 June 2007

It should be interesting to see what these companies have up their sleeves. Hopefully it's not mostly minigames/partygames and other cheap/quickly made products.