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You can be a nut, Gballzack.

Gimme a break. All you have to do is watch Motorstorm to know those slo-mo sequences are for effect. Maybe you think all the slo-mo in the Matrix was to cover up how bad the CGI was in that movie, right?

Clearly if PS3 was not already near the height of its potential, Motorstorm's crashes would take place at full speed so that you couldn't see what the hell was going on.



Anyways, the de-hyping of Killzone is getting just as bad as the hyping. So Sony has overhyped it and fanboys have eaten it up... What else is new? What's funny is that the de-hypers are going to end up with higher expectations than the hypers. The hypers are going to eat the game up even if its very average. The de-hypers are going to demand the game sells 2 million copies and reviews in the high 8s, or they are going to rub it in Sony fans faces.

Must suck to be a Sony fan.



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As others said, KZ2, event if it meet visual expectation, has to yet to convince as a FPS. KZ1 was barely an average and if some think it's just about money, they clearly miss something.
Talent is what's make the difference between the disappointing COD3 from Treyarch and the great COD2 from Infinity Wards. It (or the lack of it) explains why games with time and budget like Daikatana, Getaway, PDZ and many other sucks.

I do hope Guerilla find someone with the talent requiered to make a good FPS, but they still have to proove that. Showing good graphics isen't engouh, just like Crytek had to to proove there was a great game behind the fabulous engine of Far Cry.



MikeB said:

@ sieanr

I said some reviews stated that Killzone's main problem were technically related. I just provided you some evidence which isn't debunked by your quotes in any manner.

Note that the team for Killzone PS3 is about 4-5 times the size of Killzone Liberation for the PSP, a lot of manyears of work is being invested in this title, IMO if you are a true gaming fan the least you can do is give the game a chance.

For example I recently bought Ape Escape 3 (PS2 game) for my PS3, IMO it's easily the best game in the series.

 


Well, I guess I'm a "true gamer" since I said that I am giving the game the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you missed it. Then again I do own a PS3 and like FPSes, so maybe I should jump on the bandwagon.

However, giving a game the benefit of the doubt does not entail being enthralled for a game that has not had as much as a single screenshot released. Sorry for being skepticle, but I've seen way to many games get hyped like this to give a shit for a game that nothing is known about it.

Tell me this; Is Killzone 2 a sequel or a prequel to 1?

 

Now, I don't know about you, but I really don't care how much money is thrown at a game, or how many developers are working on it. All I care about is how good it is. I care about what is delivered, not what is promised. Right now Killzone 2 is nothing but a bunch of vague promises.

But since size matters to you, how about these games?

Duke Nukem Forever has been in development for ages, had millions thrown at it and has tons of people work on it.

ID is working on a new game with an all new engine that is very impressive. Lots of money is being spent on it and lots of people are working on it. Althought not a single screenshot has been released and we don't know what its about, but thats not really different than Killzone.

The next Fable has tons of cash and people behind it. We do have a few screens of an alpha build which isn't much, but its a hell of a lot more than Killzone.

And a dozen other multi-million dollar, 100+ dev team games that are comming out in the not so distant future with many of them from more distinguished developers. (maybe someone can list them?)

Now, all these games seem to abide by your philosophy that money and lots of people mean a game should be hyped, even when nothing about that game is known. 

Yet none of these titles get their own "anticipation" thread. None of them get legions of fanboys worked up. None make people produce post justifying the hype. Yet they are all like Killzone; No screens, no real info. So why does Killzone get so much attention? Are any of them on your most anticipated list?

Maybe its something more than potential..... (I'll let you guess why since I've already implied it)

 

BTW, please address my entire post since you have a tendancy to ignore some things and I really wan't you to answer everything I've written - especially the end.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

Cryoakira said:
As others said, KZ2, event if it meet visual expectation, has to yet to convince as a FPS. KZ1 was barely an average and if some think it's just about money, they clearly miss something.
Talent is what's make the difference between the disappointing COD3 from Treyarch and the great COD2 from Infinity Wards. It (or the lack of it) explains why games with time and budget like Daikatana, Getaway, PDZ and many other sucks.

I do hope Guerilla find someone with the talent requiered to make a good FPS, but they still have to proove that. Showing good graphics isen't engouh, just like Crytek had to to proove there was a great game behind the fabulous engine of Far Cry.

You know, I thought Far Cry was mediocre at best. It's graphics and HDR were okay and the draw distance was pretty neat. However, I think it falls flat on it's face with it's shitty voice acting, sub-par storyline, really bad sneaking aspect, enemies who can take you out almost instantly even on easy (let's not get started on the one hit death with the rocket launcher guys from a mile away).

Yet, here we are exctied because Crysis looks amazing even though everything else is really unproven by the developers. By the standards we're going for the Killzone games, shouldn't we feel the same about Crysis? I'm excited for Crysis don't get me wrong, but I'm excited for it even though I dislike Far Cry. 



IllegalPaladin said:
 

You know, I thought Far Cry was mediocre at best. It's graphics and HDR were okay and the draw distance was pretty neat. However, I think it falls flat on it's face with it's shitty voice acting, sub-par storyline, really bad sneaking aspect, enemies who can take you out almost instantly even on easy (let's not get started on the one hit death with the rocket launcher guys from a mile away).

Yet, here we are exctied because Crysis looks amazing even though everything else is really unproven by the developers. By the standards we're going for the Killzone games, shouldn't we feel the same about Crysis? I'm excited for Crysis don't get me wrong, but I'm excited for it even though I dislike Far Cry. 


Well, I think many ppl are excited because they just loved the previous game. I'm one of them. I loved the freedom, the efficient AI (even if FEAR was better), weapons,vehicules, the constant change between hunter (vs humans) and hunted (vs beasts), the challenge was just fine (did it on high difficulty setting). Granted, story sucks/acting sucks, but I was using sneaking a lot, so it worked for me.

And while the visual of Crysis looks great, I just know that I'm not going to have that on my 1 year old/not directX10 computer. So I expect the game to be good, more than just look good.

The thing is, you start to build a "trust" relationship with some studios because they provide games you like. I'm excite by The Darkness because I loved Riddick. I'm excited by Bioshock because those guys made System Shock 2 (or even Freedom Force). I'm excited by White Knight because Level 5 got a great CV. I'm even excited by what SEED could announce at the E3, because I loved Okami and liked God Hand or Vietifull Joe.

Right now, Guerilla isen't there yet. Great graphics/art will raise my attention, but from a gameplay mecanics POV, they'll still have to proove themselves.

 

 



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Oh look, Blue3 is banned yet again... sigh...

Not to dredge up old business but Motorstorm was not the only game I was talking about so I find it somewhat suspicious that people are only using that game as a defense. Even more suspicious that people first claimed there were no slow motion scenes in Motorstorm and now claim there are. Be nice if you folks could keep your stories strait.

Also while slow motion may be for affect it sure seems to happen alot on PS3 games, I wonder why?



Gballzack said:

Oh look, Blue3 is banned yet again... sigh...

Not to dredge up old business but Motorstorm was not the only game I was talking about so I find it somewhat suspicious that people are only using that game as a defense. Even more suspicious that people first claimed there were no slow motion scenes in Motorstorm and now claim there are. Be nice if you folks could keep your stories strait.

Also while slow motion may be for affect it sure seems to happen alot on PS3 games, I wonder why?


 crazy aint it, you troll a hell of alot more then him.  Evey thread in the sony for is full of your crap but your a wii owner so the wii mods wont give you a temp ban for a week.

its suspicious how ignorant you are, its fun playing the part of the dumb troll aint it especially if the mods let you get away with itall the time.

 



Erik Aston said:






Anyways, the de-hyping of Killzone is getting just as bad as the hyping. So Sony has overhyped it and fanboys have eaten it up... What else is new? What's funny is that the de-hypers are going to end up with higher expectations than the hypers. The hypers are going to eat the game up even if its very average. The de-hypers are going to demand the game sells 2 million copies and reviews in the high 8s, or they are going to rub it in Sony fans faces.


 I have the feeling that people on the internet are overhyping the game.
They don't have seen anything yet but still everyone wants it.






Gballzack said:

Oh look, Blue3 is banned yet again... sigh...


What do you want with all those wii fanbosy moderators!

They will not ban you also you deserve it more because you are just a Wii fangirl. 






konnichiwa said:
Gballzack said:

Oh look, Blue3 is banned yet again... sigh...


What do you want with all those wii fanbosy moderators!

They will not ban you also you deserve it more because you are just a Wii fangirl.

oh cry me a river. Stop with the bullshit. There's nothing wrong with being a fangirl and there's no anti-ps3 mod conspiracy. So shut the hell up. I'm sick of this crap.

Gballzack has already recieved a temp ban, and has cooled down a lot since then. There is nothing trolling in her posts, she is simply stating her opinion. If you disagree, debate. Otherwise, shut up.

So go and cry in private and let people talk about the topic at hand.

 



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