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I hate RPGs. They are so boring, and once you beat them, you may never want to play them again. I liked Pokemon, but I didn't like any of the other games. They felt like chores, and they were really, really slow. I don't even like Pokemon anymore, so that just put the last nail in the coffin.



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Bodhesatva said:
Starless said:
To be honest, I don't see games like Wii Sports and Wii Play games as adult games. They're just very accessable. They're games for adults that want to be like kids again. A game like BioShock (to choose a more recent example) seems (I obviously haven't played it, I'm basing this on what I've read) a lot more "mature". And a game like ICO is infinitly more mature than Wii Sports or Wii Play. It's like saying Harry Potter is an adults book. There's nothing deep about it, it's enjoyable because it makes you fell like a kid again. Real mature books are things like Ninteen Eighty-Four or Foundation. They make you think. I'm not saying a game like ICO is as mature as Ninteen Eighty-Four but it's certainly a lot close than Wii Sports.

/rant


Anyway, I really hope that these adults that are being raked in by Wii Sports and Wii Play decide to give gamer games a go. Maybe they'll see how truely mature a game can be. If they don't, I see this big "non-gamer" push being completely useless to me. All we're going to see resources (not all resources, though) being switched to making overly simplistic games and "boundary breaking" games being left in the wayside again.

I think this is a valid argument, although you'll have a tough time convincing me that Wii Sports is less mature than, say, Killzone, for example. I haven't even played it, by the way; I'm just going to judge a book by it's cover and say that it's extremely unlikely that any game called "Killzone" is going to have significant intellectual value.

Really, I don't expect us to jump from "almost no adults play video games" to "video games are a serious art form" in a single bound. There are a LOT of small, in-between steps, and as I said, I think the first step goes something like this:

1) Stop making so many games about killing legions of aliens or zombies or soldiers.

From there, we can move away from video games as a young male's fantasy land and start attracting an adult audience. Not necessarily a serious artistic audience, just some adults, for any reason whatsoever. Once that is accomplsihed, then we can start worrying about providing these adults with complex story lines, mature dialogue, and intellectually sophisticated material.


 

What intellectual value do Wii Sports and Wii Play have? While I agree that generic FPSs are getting stale, I don't see how games like Wii Play are any better/mature. Of course, they increase the number of people that play games, but other than that, they're just overly simplistic games.



In response to above (I am not gonna quote a whole list of that stuff): Simplicity is the greatest common denominator.

The begin said, I want more improvements in the following order of importance (this is an opinion, I don't want to get flamed for this): 1. Gameplay Mechanic 2. Artificial Intelligence (For the record, I prefer games I have a real challenge to just survive instead of mowing down a billion brainless generic enemies) 3. Diversity/Games (Particularly Original Ideas) 4. I don't remember



I am a PC gamer, and also have a NDS now, but without access to a Nintendo Wii until End of 2007.

Currently playing: Super Smash Brothers Brawl(Wii), Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer(DS), Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime (DS), WiiFit(Wii)

Games Recently Beaten: Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King (Normal; Very Hard after the next DLCs become available)

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PS3owner said:
I think i'll continue to kill, none of that gay crap for me. But then agian i am a 22 year old male :)

Plus males like to play sports games too, no killing in those :P

Yeah, get your game on, homophobe. KILL THOSE FAGS. As a heterosexual male who loves sports, movies, and spends much of his free time motorcycling and restoring cars, I want to punch you in the face.

You are what ruins forums like these, you shallow, pathetic, f***tard.

Apologies to the mods for this post.




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Wait, wait, wait.... I think that the new genres emerging wil vary the market, but there is nothing wrong with a little Xenaziombie Killing either. You don't like those games you don't have to play them. There are plenty of games for all to enjoy... unless you are an Alien, Nazi, or Zombie, but nobody is sticking up for them.

I like Puzzle league AND Call of Duty. I like Action Movies, Chick Flicks, and Dramas. You don't have to polarize large segmants as good or bad, just take it as it comes. Even the less than stellar, or the out of your genre can have redeeming qualities.

(Edit: I used the term chick flick, not to demean women.  I meant it as a movie marketed to women through broad generalizations about what mostly male dominated movie studios think women want, I find some of these movies have entertaining out-look on society.  I added in this, not to avoid offending anyone, to demonstrate the depth of variety that we see.  They make a game like Nintendog to get girls gaming, but there are many males that play it, most companies don't get it.  Nintendo stumble opon it by accident with their "girl game" and older gamer experiments: They are games for everyone. I don't think many homemakers are playing Cooking Mama.)



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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Starless said:
Bodhesatva said:
Starless said:
To be honest, I don't see games like Wii Sports and Wii Play games as adult games. They're just very accessable. They're games for adults that want to be like kids again. A game like BioShock (to choose a more recent example) seems (I obviously haven't played it, I'm basing this on what I've read) a lot more "mature". And a game like ICO is infinitly more mature than Wii Sports or Wii Play. It's like saying Harry Potter is an adults book. There's nothing deep about it, it's enjoyable because it makes you fell like a kid again. Real mature books are things like Ninteen Eighty-Four or Foundation. They make you think. I'm not saying a game like ICO is as mature as Ninteen Eighty-Four but it's certainly a lot close than Wii Sports.

/rant


Anyway, I really hope that these adults that are being raked in by Wii Sports and Wii Play decide to give gamer games a go. Maybe they'll see how truely mature a game can be. If they don't, I see this big "non-gamer" push being completely useless to me. All we're going to see resources (not all resources, though) being switched to making overly simplistic games and "boundary breaking" games being left in the wayside again.

I think this is a valid argument, although you'll have a tough time convincing me that Wii Sports is less mature than, say, Killzone, for example. I haven't even played it, by the way; I'm just going to judge a book by it's cover and say that it's extremely unlikely that any game called "Killzone" is going to have significant intellectual value.

Really, I don't expect us to jump from "almost no adults play video games" to "video games are a serious art form" in a single bound. There are a LOT of small, in-between steps, and as I said, I think the first step goes something like this:

1) Stop making so many games about killing legions of aliens or zombies or soldiers.

From there, we can move away from video games as a young male's fantasy land and start attracting an adult audience. Not necessarily a serious artistic audience, just some adults, for any reason whatsoever. Once that is accomplsihed, then we can start worrying about providing these adults with complex story lines, mature dialogue, and intellectually sophisticated material.


 

What intellectual value do Wii Sports and Wii Play have? While I agree that generic FPSs are getting stale, I don't see how games like Wii Play are any better/mature. Of course, they increase the number of people that play games, but other than that, they're just overly simplistic games.


Didn't I just explain this? I said that it doesn't, but it's a step in the right direction. If we want games to become an intellectually complicated art form, we have to attract adults in the first place. Simplest evidence: the games people most frequently hail as "art" on the Playstation -- Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, and Okami -- had mediocre, very poor, and god awful sales, respectively. What this suggests: if we create artistic games in the current atmosphere, they will not or cannot attract an audience.

So again, we need adults to be playing in the first place before we can expect artistic games to take flight. Wii Sports is that first step.

 



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steven787 said:

Wait, wait, wait.... I think that the new genres emerging wil vary the market, but there is nothing wrong with a little Xenaziombie Killing either. You don't like those games you don't have to play them. There are plenty of games for all to enjoy... unless you are an Alien, Nazi, or Zombie, but nobody is sticking up for them.

I like Puzzle league AND Call of Duty. I like Action Movies, Chick Flicks, and Dramas. You don't have to polarize large segmants as good or bad, just take it as it comes. Even the less than stellar, or the out of your genre can have redeeming qualities.

(Edit: I used the term chick flick, not to demean women. I meant it as a movie marketed to women through broad generalizations about what mostly male dominated movie studios think women want, I find some of these movies have entertaining out-look on society. I added in this, not to avoid offending anyone, to demonstrate the depth of variety that we see. They make a game like Nintendog to get girls gaming, but there are many males that play it, most companies don't get it. Nintendo stumble opon it by accident with their "girl game" and older gamer experiments: They are games for everyone. I don't think many homemakers are playing Cooking Mama.)


I totally agree, I'm not asking these games to go away. I just wish they didn't totally dominate the market, as they do now. What are the games that "hardcore" playstation fans hail as the best in PS2 history? The most frequently listed names are God of War, Grand Theft Auto, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, and Final Fantasy; hopefully, you can see the dominance of young males in those choices. Racing, swords, and guns, through and through.

Using the movie analogy, I'm not asking for violent, action packed movies to go away, I just want art house flicks and chick flicks and comedies and everything else to have their chance. The utter domination of the market by these types of games is a little depressing, that's all. 

 



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I think it is more the online community and the gaming mags. I tried to star a casual/alternative gaming blog a while back, and could't get people on it. I start one of hardcore wii stuff (like 900,000 other sites) and I get (what I think is) a solid 50 hits a day. Go figure.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Bodhesatva said:

Using the movie analogy, I'm not asking for violent, action packed movies to go away, I just want art house flicks and chick flicks and comedies and everything else to have their chance. The utter domination of the market by these types of games is a little depressing, that's all. 


 I'm more optimistic about the games industry, myself. The lifetime sales numbers for VgChartz database show that shooters and war simulations have never dominated sales charts. The numbers are overwhelmingly with good old Nintendo, platformers, the Mario franchise, and of course RPGs.

And don't forget, Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear, for all their superficial violence, were smash hits because they had tremendous storylines, memorable characters and believable game-worlds. Even a violent game like God of War II isn't mindless about violence - it has a deeply tragic storyline, some amazing voice-acting and characters. The Atlas sequence alone was worth the price of admission. Vastly superior to any action film Hollywood produced during the last 3 years, and at a fraction of their budget.