ignorance is bliss huh......... tut tut tut

Ronster316 missed out on a lot of great games in the PS1 gen and PS2 gen and this gen will do the same produce great PS3 games Feb issue of POM shows 19 1st party studios and 6 2nd party studios...im sure a new Sony mascot gem will arrive

I know Mario is a bigger franchise overall, but GT is bigger than Zelda and Halo.  Even with Mario for the past two generations GT games have sold on par or significantly more than console mario games.  Granted PS had a huge userbase advantage. 

My comment wasn't about what tombi said, but the response of "LMAO AAAHAHHAHAHAH" to the statement.  I have heard people on this forum say they haven't even heard of GT.  I'd expect that sort of response comparing something like God of War compared to those franchises.

Also saying 15 million blows away 14.87 million seems to be a stretch, especially when you then bring up userbase despite GT3 launching on an 11.3 million (generous considering it was even lower when it launched in Japan), versus NSMB launching on an 18.6 million userbase.

That's true, the only real mascot Sony has had was Crash.  Sony just has a lot of more minor characters associated with them now.  Jak, Ratchet, Kratos, Seals from SOCOM (maybe not lol), Sly Cooper, etc.  Actually they have done better this gen I'd say as far as mascots than last gen, considering the amount of time on the market.  Nathan Hale, Nathan Drake, Nariko, etc.  Once again though, no brand defining mascots.  I really hope LBP can be popular enough to make sackboy an iconic character.

 I understand and grant your point.  In any case the best comparison from the point of view of similar userbase is probably GT3/4 on the PS2 versus SML/2/3 on the Game Boy.  Established franchise on a new platform soon after launch that ultimately achieved well over 100m in sales.  Mario blows GT away. 

I must have confused it with something else; you're absolutely right on that point.  And I also agree that GT doesn't seem to get the respect it deserves. 

@Ronster316

I think all of us (or at least the most of us) know that Nintendo was the company that put console gaming in the position that it is now, all of us know that the 1st Playstation was a develop from the SNES-CD (which BTW was a Nintendo idea since the Famicom Disk System, and the early developments started later when the CDROM/XA were almost a reality), and we all know when and why Sega got out of the hardware market...

But guess what, the reason Sega got out was not because of Sony, was because their bad business decisions, they had good creativity, but they made horrible calls with many things between the CD and Saturn years, by the time the awesome Dreamcast launched Sega's reputation was on the floor and Sony's was on the roof, they didn't had a chance, add to that the Nintendo hardcore audience that was expecting the "Dolphin" (Gamecube) and Microsoft announcing their new product, the Xbox, all of them having DVDs as their media, it was a perfect storm...

Now, you only blame Sony for being "thefts" but any corporation would do the same in that position...

BTW, if a company is not interested in gaming one day, it doesn't mean that they will not be interested never, hell Nintendo didn't start as a videogame business (they got interested when they saw the US consoles like the Magnavox Odyssey, which they distributed in Japan), you have to know how Microsoft got interested in videogames, and later in consoles, but Bill Gates didn't even think about videogames when he was betting his blood for Windows to succeed...  Nokia, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, NOKIA... So there you go...

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Returning to the subject, if Sony has to choose a mascot, it will be clear in the future, for now i don't think they have the decision, they have to build a great 1st party rep. and then choose the most popular one that is not cars...

Let me start by saying that I consider the above post to be literary diarrhea.  Seriously, would it kill you to make a new paragraph once in a while?  I know it's killing me to watch you abuse periods and ellipses like that.  Secondly, please use more capitalization.  And no I don't mean more CAPS LOCK.  I mean capitalizing "I", the start of sentences, proper nouns (names), etc.  Thank you. 

Now, on to the meat of the subject matter:  that's quite an interesting story you have to tell, and it's not the same one I'm familiar with.  The way I heard it, yes Nintendo was interested in CD gaming but as an add on to the SNES, so much more like the Sega CD than the Saturn.  And it was Sony who it partnered with, not just Ken Kutaragi the individual -- Sony had made the very good sound chip in the SNES. 

Anyway, the deal fell through, from what I can recall, not due to "naming rights" but due to the fact that Sony had managed to get the contract to give it rights or ownership or royalties or something on all the games on the CD add-on system.  Nintendo didn't want to do that so it torched the deal instead -- and let Sony know by publicly announcing its new deal with Philips!  (Also fell through, also resulted in a competing system; but the Philips CD-i was not a threat, unless you count the horrifyingly bad Nintendo-IP games that Philips somehow gained the rights to when Nintendo pulled out.)  So Sony decided that, instead of scrapping the work it had done, it would push ahead and make its own console.  Thus the Sony PlayStation. 

Yeah, Sony copies a lot of stuff.  The original controller was almost a SNES controller with 4 shoulder buttons instead of two; when the N64 had an analog stick and rumble Sony copied that too.  But that doesn't mean they did it underhandedly. 

Wow that was F*ing straight forward like the Pepsi - Coca Cola Commercial.

Fair enough, although I wouldn't exactly say it's a slaughter by any stretch of the word.

The highest selling Mario titles sold 17 million(SMB3), 18 million(SML), 11 million(SML2), and 15 million(NSMB) whereas the highest selling Gran Turismo title sold 14 million(GT3), which is a difference of  +3 million, +4million, -3 million, and +2 million, so it isn't that far off.

Also, the individual sales of the other Gran Turismo titles are pretty much on par with and sometimes even exceed the sales of the other Mario titles.