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Why did I say "first" in that statement? hahah... I wish it happens just in time for E3 2009, that way Sony can return a slap to M$.



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HanzoTheRazor said:
@Bengabenga

It is an achivement. The PS3 has had nothing but bad failier stamped on it by the press and many people since it's release till not so long ago. It's software library has been weak and it's lacked the exclusives to really compete well. The negatives were many as it was kinder released as a beta and lacked many of the promissed hardware abilities till recently. The 360 came out a lot earlier, has always been cheaper and had more software.

Ok...  and the 360 has survived the biggest hardware fiasco EVER in console history, the Red Ring of Death.  PS2 had a lot of failures early in its lifecycle, but not on the same scale as RROD seems to be.

PS3 is the most expensive console, but on the flip side it's also one of the cheapest blu ray players you can buy, and with hdtv adoption rate skyrocketing, you would think they'd be getting a pretty chunky boost from that.

It's not an accomplishment for Sony to be where they are at now... they are really hurting this gen, especially after coming down from the incredible success of last gen.  Benga pretty much nailed it

 



About 7 million Xbox360 sold when PS3 were released.

 

Now the gap between them have been reduced to about 5,6 million.

 

That's about 1,4 million in almost 2 years....

 

Maybe in the year 2012 will the PS3 pass the Xbox360.



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BengaBenga said:
Fei-Hung said:

Price drop on one console, more for same cost on another. Plenty of Exclusives and 3rd party games, rumors and fables, hype and more hype, tit for tat and this is the story of the 360 and PS3. 

IMO it won't be this year, but next year that Sony catches up and takes over. I don't see Sony losing momentum at the moment. Looks like the swap over from 360 to PS3 has begun.

I have spoken to several people who bought the 360 as a time pass console until the ps3 was released. Some stuck by the 360 until PS3 had more games and then changed over, the others stood by and awaited a price drop whilst some others waited for blu ray to be the format winner before they purchased a PS3. It seems everyday, more of these former PS2 owners are given reason to change over. If Sony announce another price drop, it will be all over for the 360. They will come in 3rd place this generation. It's just a matter of time.

 

You act like it will be an incredible achievement if PS3 will overtake the 360. At the current pace that won't be in the first half of 2009. 
If you see it perspective you'll see that last gen the PS2 outsold the 360 by 100 million units and all of a sudden you're saying that passing the 360 2.5 years in the PS3's life is a major accomplishment. That's fanboy talk.

Microsoft doesn't really care about that 3rd place (of course they wouldn't mind winning). Their Entertainment Division is profitable and they have acquired an excellent position for their next Xbox. In this gen they achieved incredible stuff: GTA, RE, DMC and now even FF are now all on their machine. The 360 is a success for Microsoft.

Sony is a totally different story. They lose loads of money, the lost almost all exclusives bare MGS and will be in a much weaker position for the PS4. Sure the PS3 will come in second, no doubt about that, but they've lost an aweful lot this gen.

 

 The Xbox is NOT profitable. Read their financials.  The division it is in, which includes, Age of Empires, Zine, Mice, keyboards, etc is barely profitable. The more Xbox they sell, the LESS money the division makes.  Xbox is not in a happy place right now.  It has only been a success at fracturing a market and damaging competitors. Financially, it is still a loser.

And having to buy all those exlusives is setting them up for (financial)  failure next round. They paid 50M for GTAIV. We don't know what they paid for FFXIII, but the trend has been set: MSFT will have to PAY for every blockbuster game from now on.Sony gets GTA, FFXIII free, MSFT pays. Tough for MSFT to come out ahead in that scenario.

 



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People talk about the PS3 passing the XBox 360 as though it would some huge victory. It really wouldn't. Not only was Sony's console expected to beat the 360 but it was expected to beat the Wii as well. They will struggle to pass the 360 and that may not happen. They are still a HUGE amount behind. They are being not being beaten by the Wii but trounced (it's not even a contest). Now explain to me how any of this can be looked at as a victory for Sony?



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I think it's an issue that the PS3 didn't completley destory the competition but I don't think it's something that could have been helped each generation is a new race and winning previous generations isn't going to entirely determine your success in later generations history has proven this , also factoring damaging decisions made by Sony such as complex architecture , high price point , not buying exclusives , releasing a whole year after competitor .

I don't see it as much of a big deal that Sony hasn't come in first place it's the nature of the gaming industry that companies loose steam if they're not able to change strategy to adapt to challenging situations . I do see it as a big deal that Sony adapts to their current situation and atempts to maintain profitabiltiy as opposed to marketshare . With the exception Blu-Ray success , HD TV sales the PS3 has been a loss for Sony this generation and I think it's really down to Sony to revise their stratergies for a succesfull PS4.

I still believe however that the PS3 will come in second place and at least break even.




I think the PS3 will eventually surpass the 360, but is it really even an issue this gen?  What I mean is that the current console market has more than enough room for three consoles to all viably co-exist.  Last gen proved this, and this gen is only getting better from the last.  While safely assuming that the PS3 will overtake the 360 in the future (whenever that might be), the 360 offers and I believe it will still offer many options for the consumer.  Will it be a victory for SONY?  Yes, it will.  Will it be a big one?  That will be VERY opinionaited depending on how you see things in which a lot of it can be reasonable.  And just to let everyone know, the only this-gen console I own is the PS3 due to lack of time for the others, and I do like SONY's offerings more.  However you want to look at whether it's a big victory or not, it's hard to deny that the PS3 has come a long way from high price, low supply, lack of software, difficulty in programming, bad press, etc.  Second, third, whatever, the PS3 is doing fine now, and will continue to do better.



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jkimball said:
BengaBenga said:
Fei-Hung said:

Price drop on one console, more for same cost on another. Plenty of Exclusives and 3rd party games, rumors and fables, hype and more hype, tit for tat and this is the story of the 360 and PS3. 

IMO it won't be this year, but next year that Sony catches up and takes over. I don't see Sony losing momentum at the moment. Looks like the swap over from 360 to PS3 has begun.

I have spoken to several people who bought the 360 as a time pass console until the ps3 was released. Some stuck by the 360 until PS3 had more games and then changed over, the others stood by and awaited a price drop whilst some others waited for blu ray to be the format winner before they purchased a PS3. It seems everyday, more of these former PS2 owners are given reason to change over. If Sony announce another price drop, it will be all over for the 360. They will come in 3rd place this generation. It's just a matter of time.

 

You act like it will be an incredible achievement if PS3 will overtake the 360. At the current pace that won't be in the first half of 2009. 
If you see it perspective you'll see that last gen the PS2 outsold the 360 by 100 million units and all of a sudden you're saying that passing the 360 2.5 years in the PS3's life is a major accomplishment. That's fanboy talk.

Microsoft doesn't really care about that 3rd place (of course they wouldn't mind winning). Their Entertainment Division is profitable and they have acquired an excellent position for their next Xbox. In this gen they achieved incredible stuff: GTA, RE, DMC and now even FF are now all on their machine. The 360 is a success for Microsoft.

Sony is a totally different story. They lose loads of money, the lost almost all exclusives bare MGS and will be in a much weaker position for the PS4. Sure the PS3 will come in second, no doubt about that, but they've lost an aweful lot this gen.

 

 The Xbox is NOT profitable. Read their financials.  The division it is in, which includes, Age of Empires, Zine, Mice, keyboards, etc is barely profitable. The more Xbox they sell, the LESS money the division makes.  Xbox is not in a happy place right now.  It has only been a success at fracturing a market and damaging competitors. Financially, it is still a loser.

And having to buy all those exlusives is setting them up for (financial)  failure next round. They paid 50M for GTAIV. We don't know what they paid for FFXIII, but the trend has been set: MSFT will have to PAY for every blockbuster game from now on.Sony gets GTA, FFXIII free, MSFT pays. Tough for MSFT to come out ahead in that scenario.

 

I am not sure where you get your information from, but the increased revenue from the 360 and XBL was the catalyst for the return to profitability for MS' EDD. And the outlook for sustained and increasing profitability is quite optimistic.

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/04/25/microsoft-announces-third-straight-quarterly-xbox-profit

 



@Jackson50

I like your sig. :)

Otherwise, so far as a gamer, one loses more by having a PS3 only than having a 360 only. Games and features speak for themselves and PS3 has ways to go to beat the 360 in that department. I don't see ps3 being a better gaming platform for atleast another 2 years...

Anyone that trades a 360 for ps3 should feel very cheated at this point. Like you people realize that must play ps3 exclusives thus far in almost 2 years of its existance are one stealth action game and a popular sim racing game demo? Sales can be through the roof, but that is just a pretty pathetic fact. Not to mention that a lot fo the multi plat AAA games (rockband, Orange box) are inferior on the ps3.

One can argue..."But PC and PS3...blah blah" but pc is a microsoft platform too so saying Sony is more successful because you decide to give microsoft money for games on a PC rather than 360 is not a valid argument.



@disolitude
I can only agree with you if you are referring to the indiscriminant gamer, casual or hardcore, who doesn't have any specifics who plays whatever comes their way. But most gamers do have preferences. So "anyone that trades a 360 for ps3 should feel very cheated" is a false blanket statement. If I can't play games like Ratchet & Clank, Siren, & Disgaea on the Wii or the 360, I'd feel cheated. So let's be a little less biased here (as a gamer). SONY still has their share of exclusives, non-exclusives that are still on/coming to the PS3 while there are still multi-platform games that are as good as the 360 version is not better.  And not everyone's "gaming schedule" is the same. I'm glad I get to play the better version of Oblivion on the PS3 with nothing against the 360 version. Depending on what you want, SOME people who "trades a 360 for ps3 should feel very cheated," but surely not all.  Especially when you consider the fact that SONY is the 4th largest console software developer/publisher in the world. SONY does have offering and future offerings that complement what 3rd parties are doing for the PS3. And the whole PC and PS3 argument is quite valid. Otherwise, Microsoft should have just stuck to PC gaming.

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