Squilliam said: Skeeuk said: microsoft didnt win E3 and i dont think they will have a shift forward. playstation 3 is now king of shooters, and sales will keep up over that of 360 even with a higher price point. Probably would have helped had they produced these games LAST year. How many Shooter fans are left to be converted after the Xbox360 got 4 90+ Metacritic shooters LAST YEAR? Microsoft has been there, done that and now Sony wants to make headway with people who didn't bite LAST YEAR at a higher price point to boot. ff13 360 port wont hurt ff13 ps3 sales. by the time ff13 is released there will be many other ps3 rpg`s on the horizon. Since when did anyone say it would? Besides, Microsoft has Mistwalker and they seem to be producing better and better work everytime they release. Im picking they'll have a 90%+ and a mid 80s JRPG from them before the end of the generation and thats on top of Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey. ps. can someone explain because its baffling me, on how 360 isnt shifting more consoles than ps3 even with a lower rpice point, supposdly better onine and games? So why isn't the PS3 outselling the Xbox360 significantly  inspite of having blu ray worth $400 and free online?

such spin! you have no way to counteract him saying "the 360 is getting outsold" so you try and damage control it by saying "why isn't it being outsell by more?" Being outsold is being outsold, and that's all that matters. Take it one step further, being outsold = people want the other product more than yours, no ifs ands or buts about it

 

starcraft said: Last year Sony won E3 and they experienced a large shift in momentum (which was also because of the 40GB PS3) in the second half of 2007.

 

Wait, what? Huh? Are we following the same industry here? Sony's July, August, September, and October sales for the PS3 were all dismal last year. (Go back and look at our archived charts if you don't believe me.) The sales picked up in November for two reasons: there was a major price cut, and it was the holidays. PS3 sales have been better in 2008 due to the greater viability of the Blu-Ray format, and a much stronger library of games - especially Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear Solid.

None of this had *ANYTHING* to do with last year's E3. In fact, most of the games that Sony demonstrated there have either not been released yet (e.g. Little Big Planet, Home) or released to underwhelming sales (Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet, etc.) The entire premise of this thread makes no sense whatsoever because the initial assumption is flawed. Not to mention, it also assumes several other dubious points:

- Sony "won" E3 last year
- Microsoft "won" E3 this year.
- Apparently Nintendo doesn't exist in this market

With all due respect, this whole thread is little more than fanboy chest-beating on all sides. E3 rarely has any noticeable effect on sales. Expect the market to look... pretty much the same it does right now.

Skeeuk said: microsoft didnt win E3 and i dont think they will have a shift forward. playstation 3 is now king of shooters, and sales will keep up over that of 360 even with a higher price point. ff13 360 port wont hurt ff13 ps3 sales. by the time ff13 is released there will be many other ps3 rpg`s on the horizon ps. can someone explain because its baffling me, on how 360 isnt shifting more consoles than ps3 even with a lower rpice point, supposdly better onine and games?

Dude no one takes you seriously, MS could roll out 40 new exclusive games and you would still say MS lost. IDK what you have against MS but you really are giving yourself a bad rep. PS3 = king of shooters?! Lawl because of one CG trailer and 256 playing thats make them the king of shooters? People like you have always called the 360 the "shooterbox" and so I guess not huh? Im saying this as a big Sony fan.

 PS: When Huxley came out a lot of people rolled their eyes b/c the 360 was getting another shooter. I rolled my eyes when SOny announced MAG yesterday as I don't want to play another generic shooter however big it is. Huxley is at least different. Man tho could I go for 256 on R2 lol that would be awesome.

Oh man, we all know you suck, starcraft, so why keep proving yourself?

Microsoft didn't win E3, in fact, they had an average show with one megaton. Sony's show was just better.

Microsoft didn't win anything.

By the time FFXIII is released in the US/EU, the generation will be drawing to a close. The hardware boost will last all of a few weeks ala GTAIV, and even then, the PS3 version will sell more copies due to Europe and Japan plus the fact that gape in LTD hardware sales will be smaller or even have the PS3 slightly ahead, and it will probably get the bigger hardware boost also due to Europe and Japan. A game that's not coming out for two years is not going to cause anyone to buy a 360.

E3 is not going to cause a hardware boost either considering that the average person doesn't even know what E3 is, let alone what happened there.

There will be no momentum shift because Microsoft, like Sony and Nintendo, failed to announce anything new and worthwhile. I'll admit, their FFXIII announcement shocked the shit out of me. The game was possibly the biggest exclusive in the PS3 arsenal (deffinitly my most wanted game). Aside from that, however, Microsoft did not show off anything new to make people want a 360. The game is still going to be released on both consoles and most likely outsell the 360 version simply becuase of Japan.

 

In my oppinion, this will not add momentum to Microsoft. What it will do is prevent Sony from breaking off or widening the gap in weekly sales a bit more than it already is (for a couple of weeks like most big exclusives do these days). The only thing that can add momentum to Microsofts little box is called Gears of War.

^^You forget the Halo games that M$ has up its sleeves.

JaggedSac said: ^^You forget the Halo games that M$ has up its sleeves.

The Halo games are spin-offs, and even with Halo 3 and Gears of War, it still will have taken the 360 nearly 3 years to reach 20 million sales.

 

I think you are right, the winner will get a boost.

Expect the Sony lead to expand a bit.

Lord N said: JaggedSac said: ^^You forget the Halo games that M$ has up its sleeves. The Halo games are spin-offs, and even with Halo 3 and Gears of War, it still will have taken the 360 nearly 3 years to reach 20 million sales.

 

Yes, but without them it would have taken more time.  Thus they provide some extra momentum.  And possibly, these will provide more.