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ssj12 on 21 June 2007
omgwtfbbq said:
Chubear said:
omgwtfbbq said:

nope, you're wrong. Dragon Quest is the perennial runner up. The Grand Daddy in Japan is Pokemon. Final Fantasy doesn't even place.

And the top three are all exclusive to Nintendo now. There is no hope that Sony will be ahead of Nintendo by 2012. In fact, I will say right now, categorically, to make Chubear happy, that the PS3 will never outsell the Wii over a year in Japan until the end of their respective lives.


So from what I understand of your statement you do agree that Sony's PS3 will eventually out sell the wii in Japan but you don't think it'll be in the next coming year, right? So the ony thing different about what I said is that you believe it'll take longer than the next year for the Japan to shift to the PS3? Well... I guess that's a decent outlook .. but still, it's the same end result so how they get there isn't really the major thing, it's mainly who'll win at the end of the day that matters really.


you need to practise your reading comprehension. I have no idea how you managed to get what you did from my statement. Let me make it clearer for you:

PS3 will never have higher yearly sales than Wii in Japan.

Need me to make it even clearer?

in 2006 Wii has outsold PS3 in Japan.
in 2007 Wii will outsell PS3 in Japan.
in 2008 Wii will outsell PS3 in Japan.
in 2009 Wii will outsell PS3 in Japan.
in 2010 Wii will outsell PS3 in Japan.
in 2011 Wii will outsell PS3 in Japan.
in 2012 Wii will outsell PS3 in Japan.
Do you need me to keep going, or do you get the point?

In other words, I'm not just saying that Wii will end up with higher LTD sales than PS3 at the end of their respective lives, but that the PS3 will not have a single year where it outsells the Wii.

This is the future of Japan as predicted by me. If you wish to save this post like you have been later to show me in 2012 when PS3 makes its amazing comeback, go ahead. It will just be wasted time.


 Is the Wii even going to last that long? Nintendo always only has a 5 year plan, so 2009 Wii 2 will be announced and it should be released 2010. 



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Dolla Dolla on 21 June 2007

A 5 year plan would bring it to 2011. And there's no reason the Wii can't last that long, especially since it is favored to win this generation.



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HappySqurriel on 21 June 2007
ssj12 said:

Is the Wii even going to last that long? Nintendo always only has a 5 year plan, so 2009 Wii 2 will be announced and it should be released 2010. 

 


Q4 2006 + 5 years = Q4 2011 ...
So the Wii will probably still be selling in 2012 ...

 

Since we are making unrealistic statements "The Dreamcast lasted 2 years and the PS3 is selling at about the rate of the Dreamcast so we should expect to see the PS4 in 2008"



ssj12 on 21 June 2007
HappySqurriel said:
ssj12 said:

Is the Wii even going to last that long? Nintendo always only has a 5 year plan, so 2009 Wii 2 will be announced and it should be released 2010.


Q4 2006 + 5 years = Q4 2011 ...
So the Wii will probably still be selling in 2012 ...

 

Since we are making unrealistic statements "The Dreamcast lasted 2 years and the PS3 is selling at about the rate of the Dreamcast so we should expect to see the PS4 in 2008"


 opps... forgot it was launched at the end of 2006 so yea... but still, the ps3 wont be ended till 2016 from their 10 year plan. Ps4 will be out in 2013 though most likely.



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Xyrax on 21 June 2007
JDWolf36 said:
For Everybody's Golf it sold about 1.6 times as many copies as the highest selling Gundum game on the PS2 at and started selling when the PS2 was already the dominant console with about 29 million sold w/w with 10 million consoles sold in Japan. If you extrapulate the 1.6 as many sold to the Gundam Musou game on the PS3 you get a little under 450k.

 You know, this line of thinking died a long time ago dude. You cannot use last gen game sales as a benchmark for the PS3, sorry, that ship sailed when ridge race (which was a million seller last gen) flopped like hell on PS3, only to be followed by VF5 (which sold a million in its iteration last gen) which was a collosal flop on PS3. Success in the previous gen does not always amount to that same type of success this gen. I expect Minna to do very well for a PS3 game, but I dont have any expectations of it matching its last gen ratio. Judging by every other sequel for the PS3 since release, I have every reason to believe it wont get anywhere near it, but Im going to hold out a little faith anyway.

 

My point is, dont bother telling us how awesome MnG's attach rate would be if it sold half a million, because noone cares. Noone cares because it doesnt matter. And it doesnt matter because if anyone wanted to drool over attach rates we would look at te 360 in Japan which has an attach rate that crushes all. But not even a heavenly attach rate matters when the hardware sales are garbage. A highly popular last gen blockbuster selling incredibly less is not suddenly made a good thing just because it had a high attach.



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HappySqurriel on 21 June 2007
RolStoppable said:
 

What makes you so sure that the PS3 will have a 10 year lifespan? Because Sony said it? They also claimed that the PSP will become the walkman of the 21st century.

 

 When was the last time you saw someone bought a walkman?



your mother on 21 June 2007
ssj12 said:
HappySqurriel said:
ssj12 said:

Is the Wii even going to last that long? Nintendo always only has a 5 year plan, so 2009 Wii 2 will be announced and it should be released 2010.


Q4 2006 + 5 years = Q4 2011 ...
So the Wii will probably still be selling in 2012 ...

 

Since we are making unrealistic statements "The Dreamcast lasted 2 years and the PS3 is selling at about the rate of the Dreamcast so we should expect to see the PS4 in 2008"


opps... forgot it was launched at the end of 2006 so yea... but still, the ps3 wont be ended till 2016 from their 10 year plan. Ps4 will be out in 2013 though most likely.

What's this about 5-year vs 10-year plans?

PS1 was first launched in Japan on Dec 3, 1994.

PS2 was launched in Japan on March 4, 2000. (roughly 5.5 years)

PS3 was launched in Japan on November 11, 2006. (roughly 6.5 years, due to delayed launch)

NES was launched in Japan on July 15, 1983.

SNES was launched in Japan on November 21, 1990. (roughly 7.5 years, probably due to lack of competition)

N64 was launched in Japan on June 23, 1996. (roughly 5.5 years)

GCN was launched in Japan on September 14, 2001. (roughly 5.5 years)

Wii was launched on November 19, 2006. (roughly 5 years)

In both cases, the console's half-life is 5 years, then a new model is released. The old model then starts to fade, and eventually put to pasture just before the new model is launched.

Both Nintendo and Sony have traditionally projected 10-year lifespans in all their consoles. Why are people suggesting the Wii will last only five years before its sucessor is launched while the PS3 will last ten years before its sucessor is launched?

When Nintendo releases its sucessor it does not mean Nintendo pulls the plug on the Wii right there and then. It will continue to contribute to Nintendo's bottom line for another five years. Ditto that for the PS3.

And honestly, I don't think even the staunchest of Sony fans truly believe that the PS3 has so much untapped horsepower that it will still be able to compete against a console that will be released ten years down the line. I'm giving it two more years before the PC completely obliterates any graphical prowess the PS3 is capable of showing today. In ten years' time the PC will do things the PS3 will only be able to dream about. By then the PC will, once again, raise the benchmark by which all other consoles will be compared to graphically anyhow.



ssj12 on 21 June 2007
your mother said:
ssj12 said:
HappySqurriel said:
ssj12 said:

Is the Wii even going to last that long? Nintendo always only has a 5 year plan, so 2009 Wii 2 will be announced and it should be released 2010.


Q4 2006 + 5 years = Q4 2011 ...
So the Wii will probably still be selling in 2012 ...

 

Since we are making unrealistic statements "The Dreamcast lasted 2 years and the PS3 is selling at about the rate of the Dreamcast so we should expect to see the PS4 in 2008"


opps... forgot it was launched at the end of 2006 so yea... but still, the ps3 wont be ended till 2016 from their 10 year plan. Ps4 will be out in 2013 though most likely.

What's this about 5-year vs 10-year plans?

PS1 was first launched in Japan on Dec 3, 1994.

PS2 was launched in Japan on March 4, 2000. (roughly 5.5 years)

PS3 was launched in Japan on November 11, 2006. (roughly 6.5 years, due to delayed launch)

NES was launched in Japan on July 15, 1983.

SNES was launched in Japan on November 21, 1990. (roughly 7.5 years, probably due to lack of competition)

N64 was launched in Japan on June 23, 1996. (roughly 5.5 years)

GCN was launched in Japan on September 14, 2001. (roughly 5.5 years)

Wii was launched on November 19, 2006. (roughly 5 years)

In both cases, the console's half-life is 5 years, then a new model is released. The old model then starts to fade, and eventually put to pasture just before the new model is launched.

Both Nintendo and Sony have traditionally projected 10-year lifespans in all their consoles. Why are people suggesting the Wii will last only five years before its sucessor is launched while the PS3 will last ten years before its sucessor is launched?

When Nintendo releases its sucessor it does not mean Nintendo pulls the plug on the Wii right there and then. It will continue to contribute to Nintendo's bottom line for another five years. Ditto that for the PS3.

And honestly, I don't think even the staunchest of Sony fans truly believe that the PS3 has so much untapped horsepower that it will still be able to compete against a console that will be released ten years down the line. I'm giving it two more years before the PC completely obliterates any graphical prowess the PS3 is capable of showing today. In ten years' time the PC will do things the PS3 will only be able to dream about. By then the PC will, once again, raise the benchmark by which all other consoles will be compared to graphically anyhow.


 

PS1 was first launched in Japan on Dec 3, 1994. Discontinued 2006

PS2 was launched in Japan on March 4, 2000. (roughly 5.5 years) will be discontinued when ps4 is 6 months from release

PS3 was launched in Japan on November 11, 2006. (roughly 6.5 years, due to delayed launch) will be discontinued 6 months or so before ps5



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Bonafide732 on 22 June 2007

dam the ps1 wasnt discontinued until 2006 i never knew that...



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omgwtfbbq on 22 June 2007
ssj12 said:
your mother said:
ssj12 said:
HappySqurriel said:
ssj12 said:

Is the Wii even going to last that long? Nintendo always only has a 5 year plan, so 2009 Wii 2 will be announced and it should be released 2010.


Q4 2006 + 5 years = Q4 2011 ...
So the Wii will probably still be selling in 2012 ...

 

Since we are making unrealistic statements "The Dreamcast lasted 2 years and the PS3 is selling at about the rate of the Dreamcast so we should expect to see the PS4 in 2008"


opps... forgot it was launched at the end of 2006 so yea... but still, the ps3 wont be ended till 2016 from their 10 year plan. Ps4 will be out in 2013 though most likely.

What's this about 5-year vs 10-year plans?

PS1 was first launched in Japan on Dec 3, 1994.

PS2 was launched in Japan on March 4, 2000. (roughly 5.5 years)

PS3 was launched in Japan on November 11, 2006. (roughly 6.5 years, due to delayed launch)

NES was launched in Japan on July 15, 1983.

SNES was launched in Japan on November 21, 1990. (roughly 7.5 years, probably due to lack of competition)

N64 was launched in Japan on June 23, 1996. (roughly 5.5 years)

GCN was launched in Japan on September 14, 2001. (roughly 5.5 years)

Wii was launched on November 19, 2006. (roughly 5 years)

In both cases, the console's half-life is 5 years, then a new model is released. The old model then starts to fade, and eventually put to pasture just before the new model is launched.

Both Nintendo and Sony have traditionally projected 10-year lifespans in all their consoles. Why are people suggesting the Wii will last only five years before its sucessor is launched while the PS3 will last ten years before its sucessor is launched?

When Nintendo releases its sucessor it does not mean Nintendo pulls the plug on the Wii right there and then. It will continue to contribute to Nintendo's bottom line for another five years. Ditto that for the PS3.

And honestly, I don't think even the staunchest of Sony fans truly believe that the PS3 has so much untapped horsepower that it will still be able to compete against a console that will be released ten years down the line. I'm giving it two more years before the PC completely obliterates any graphical prowess the PS3 is capable of showing today. In ten years' time the PC will do things the PS3 will only be able to dream about. By then the PC will, once again, raise the benchmark by which all other consoles will be compared to graphically anyhow.


 

PS1 was first launched in Japan on Dec 3, 1994. Discontinued 2006

PS2 was launched in Japan on March 4, 2000. (roughly 5.5 years) will be discontinued when ps4 is 6 months from release

PS3 was launched in Japan on November 11, 2006. (roughly 6.5 years, due to delayed launch) will be discontinued 6 months or so before ps5

so what? the NES and SNES both also had such long lifespans. Funnily enough, the winning console of every generation is the one with the longest lifespan, and right now, that is looking to be the Wii. If the PS3 sells terribly over the course of this generation you can be sure when the PS4 is released the PS3 will drop like the Gamecube did (the Xbox was a special case)

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