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Forums - Nintendo - I would just like to know, how is Nintendo not milking their games?

swyggi on 09 July 2008
Garcian Smith said:
cwbys21 said:
That's because it is popular to hate on SquareEnix right now, don't ask why, it just is. It is kind of popular to hate on Nintendo since they sell hardware almost as fast as they can make it, but that is mostly among the press and fan boys. Don't worry though, after SE releases all the games that look great from what we know that they have lined up all the hate will go away. For a while. And then the people will crop back up with the nostalgia about the good ol' days with nes/snes.

 


People hate on S-E because 75% of the games they release nowadays are just a constant stream of half-arsed re-releases/remakes. The company seems to be recovering a little - TWEWY was good, and The Last Remnant and Soul Eater look promising - but they REALLY need some new ideas.

Not true.  FF12 RW, Crisis Core, Tactics A2 and Tactics WotL are anything BUT half-arsed.  Although the chocobo dungeon games really do need to stop.  It's much less than 75%, it's even less than 30% now. 

 



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Kasz216 on 09 July 2008
Desroko said:
De85 said:
Garcian Smith said:

Mario is a brand name now, not a franchise. Who care if Nintendo makes some game and then slaps the Mario name on it? It's an easily recognizable brand, so a Mario game is guaranteed to sell a bunch of copies.

Furthermore, how many Mario games come out per generation? One since the N64, and two this generation due to NSMB. How many Zelda games? Two or three. Metroid? Two.

Now compare that to how many Final Fantasy games were released just last year: 12. Yes, twelve. Granted, some of those are re-releases with a bit of new stuff on them, but still. Twelve Final Fantasy releases in a year alone, pretty much all of them some form of JRPG. For comparison's sake, Nintendo only released six Mario-branded games in the same year (if you count Mario & Sonic) - and that includes offerings as diverse as Mario Party, the Mario Sports titles, and - of course - SMG. Which one is milking which franchise, now?

 

This is just the pot calling the kettle black. Just because SE gets more milk from their cows does not change the fact that Nintendo is also milking. One or two main series games per gen is not milking, but Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario & Sonic, Mario Strikers, etc... most definitely is. Anyone who disagrees that the Mario cash cow is being milked is delusional.

Again, it's foolish to speak of just one Mario series. You just named at least three genres, besides the main Mario series' action-adventure: party, racing, and sports. Not to mention the RPG games. Final Fantasy isn't quite as broad-based, running the gamut from action-RPG to JRPG to strategy-RPG.

But I don't think that alone qualifies SE for milking. It's the parade of re-releases and remakes that are the problem, as blatant as the nearly annual Mario Party titles.

 

Yeah... the Mario games really are their own different franchises.

As for Mario Party... well that's done by Hudson anyway.  I'd say it's more Hudson milking it... which aside from that and Bomberman they don't make much.



Sky Render on 09 July 2008

Does it really count as "milking the franchise" in the traditional sense when the carry-overs between games tend to be minor, and when individual installments can stand out on their own entirely independent of the rest of the series? One of the reasons why Nintendo has such a good reputation (and why the Final Fantasy series is usually given the benefit of the doubt for new mainstay games) is because they don't just keep remaking the same games with a few small things changed.



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NiKKoM on 09 July 2008

I'm a big Nintendo fan but Mario Pinball Land & Metroid Pinball now that were Milk? games.. And the 8bit rereleases on the GBA.. well... they could have put 2 on 1 cartridge... that was close not on milking but a rip-off...



 

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De85 on 09 July 2008
Kasz216 said:
Desroko said:
De85 said:
Garcian Smith said:

Mario is a brand name now, not a franchise. Who care if Nintendo makes some game and then slaps the Mario name on it? It's an easily recognizable brand, so a Mario game is guaranteed to sell a bunch of copies.

Furthermore, how many Mario games come out per generation? One since the N64, and two this generation due to NSMB. How many Zelda games? Two or three. Metroid? Two.

Now compare that to how many Final Fantasy games were released just last year: 12. Yes, twelve. Granted, some of those are re-releases with a bit of new stuff on them, but still. Twelve Final Fantasy releases in a year alone, pretty much all of them some form of JRPG. For comparison's sake, Nintendo only released six Mario-branded games in the same year (if you count Mario & Sonic) - and that includes offerings as diverse as Mario Party, the Mario Sports titles, and - of course - SMG. Which one is milking which franchise, now?

 

This is just the pot calling the kettle black. Just because SE gets more milk from their cows does not change the fact that Nintendo is also milking. One or two main series games per gen is not milking, but Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario & Sonic, Mario Strikers, etc... most definitely is. Anyone who disagrees that the Mario cash cow is being milked is delusional.

Again, it's foolish to speak of just one Mario series. You just named at least three genres, besides the main Mario series' action-adventure: party, racing, and sports. Not to mention the RPG games. Final Fantasy isn't quite as broad-based, running the gamut from action-RPG to JRPG to strategy-RPG.

But I don't think that alone qualifies SE for milking. It's the parade of re-releases and remakes that are the problem, as blatant as the nearly annual Mario Party titles.

 

Yeah... the Mario games really are their own different franchises.

As for Mario Party... well that's done by Hudson anyway. I'd say it's more Hudson milking it... which aside from that and Bomberman they don't make much.

 

The fact that they're their own franchises doesn't mean that the Mario name isn't being milked for all its worth.  Also, I'm not saying that SE doesn't milk FF, I just think that Mario is the more egregious offender.  Furthermore, Zelda is starting to tread a slippery slope with Link's crossbow training.  I hope they don't continue down that path.



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Desroko on 09 July 2008
De85 said:
Kasz216 said:
Desroko said:
De85 said:
Garcian Smith said:

Mario is a brand name now, not a franchise. Who care if Nintendo makes some game and then slaps the Mario name on it? It's an easily recognizable brand, so a Mario game is guaranteed to sell a bunch of copies.

Furthermore, how many Mario games come out per generation? One since the N64, and two this generation due to NSMB. How many Zelda games? Two or three. Metroid? Two.

Now compare that to how many Final Fantasy games were released just last year: 12. Yes, twelve. Granted, some of those are re-releases with a bit of new stuff on them, but still. Twelve Final Fantasy releases in a year alone, pretty much all of them some form of JRPG. For comparison's sake, Nintendo only released six Mario-branded games in the same year (if you count Mario & Sonic) - and that includes offerings as diverse as Mario Party, the Mario Sports titles, and - of course - SMG. Which one is milking which franchise, now?

 

This is just the pot calling the kettle black. Just because SE gets more milk from their cows does not change the fact that Nintendo is also milking. One or two main series games per gen is not milking, but Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario & Sonic, Mario Strikers, etc... most definitely is. Anyone who disagrees that the Mario cash cow is being milked is delusional.

Again, it's foolish to speak of just one Mario series. You just named at least three genres, besides the main Mario series' action-adventure: party, racing, and sports. Not to mention the RPG games. Final Fantasy isn't quite as broad-based, running the gamut from action-RPG to JRPG to strategy-RPG.

But I don't think that alone qualifies SE for milking. It's the parade of re-releases and remakes that are the problem, as blatant as the nearly annual Mario Party titles.

 

Yeah... the Mario games really are their own different franchises.

As for Mario Party... well that's done by Hudson anyway. I'd say it's more Hudson milking it... which aside from that and Bomberman they don't make much.

 

The fact that they're their own franchises doesn't mean that the Mario name isn't being milked for all its worth.  Also, I'm not saying that SE doesn't milk FF, I just think that Mario is the more egregious offender.  Furthermore, Zelda is starting to tread a slippery slope with Link's crossbow training.  I hope they don't continue down that path.

How? As Garcian said, six Mario games (seven if you count Smash Bros.) vs. twelve Final Fantasy games, many of which are remakes or re-releases. Half a dozen genres versus, to be very generous, three. There is no reasonable way to look at those numbers and conclude that Nintendo's practices are more egregious. They release a smaller number of newer, more varied games. Period.

 



De85 on 09 July 2008
Desroko said:
De85 said:
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The fact that they're their own franchises doesn't mean that the Mario name isn't being milked for all its worth. Also, I'm not saying that SE doesn't milk FF, I just think that Mario is the more egregious offender. Furthermore, Zelda is starting to tread a slippery slope with Link's crossbow training. I hope they don't continue down that path.

How? As Garcian said, six Mario games (seven if you count Smash Bros.) vs. twelve Final Fantasy games, many of which are remakes or re-releases. Half a dozen genres versus, to be very generous, three. There is no reasonable way to look at those numbers and conclude that Nintendo's practices are more egregious. They release a smaller number of newer, more varied games. Period.

 

 

Many of SE's releases are remakes, and the line between milking and fan service is very fine, but that's not my point.  I recognize that SE milks their franchise, but as you pointed out, the Mario name is spread across 6 genres.  The original Mario was a platformer, meaning there are 5 genres he is in where he does not belong.  That my friend, is milking.



DTG on 09 July 2008

Yes, Nintendo is notorious for milking their franchises and overcharging customers for comparatively poor service. I'd go as far as saying that Nintendo is perhaps the worst offender of product exploitation in the modern history of the capitalist market.



Timmah! on 09 July 2008
DTG said:
Yes, Nintendo is notorious for milking their franchises and overcharging customers for comparatively poor service. I'd go as far as saying that Nintendo is perhaps the worst offender of product exploitation in the modern history of the capitalist market.

 

WTH are you talking about???? SMG, MP3, TP, MK, all GREAT games. And comparitively poor service??? Their customer service is second to none in the gaming industry. Troll.



HappySqurriel on 09 July 2008
DTG said:
Yes, Nintendo is notorious for milking their franchises and overcharging customers for comparatively poor service. I'd go as far as saying that Nintendo is perhaps the worst offender of product exploitation in the modern history of the capitalist market.

If that isn't sarcasm it is one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.