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Kurakasa on 09 July 2008
deathcape said:

 

you really are sad...you do know the Video game market was shrinking in the last decade? right?....it's dying...

I'm happy Nintendo saved us...once again...or would you like a six button with one joystick controller ON the console...like in the arcades?

meh...if you don't like evolution..and actual growth...too bad ^_^

you'll go extinct..

 

I am sad because I don't like nintendo games? Ok. Nintendo did nothing for me, it offers absolutely no games to play. Are you talking about devolution? I am pretty sure that those nintendo like games were popular in the 80's or early 90's.

 

edit:

That is assuming you were even born in the early 90's.



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Impulsivity on 09 July 2008
deathcape said:
Kurakasa said:
deathcape said:


the Wii is following this trend....I think you guys really ARE afraid of the new way of gaming..wow..^^''

and I thought Sean Maelstrom was just joking....

 

Afraid? I doubt it. Interested in "new way of gaming", absolutely not. If you are talking about ds/wii type games as a new way of gaming, that is.

 

you really are sad...you do know the Video game market was shrinking in the last decade? right?....it's dying...

I'm happy Nintendo saved us...once again...or would you like a six button with one joystick controller ON the console...like in the arcades?

meh...if you don't like evolution..and actual growth...too bad ^_^

you'll go extinct..

 

    Shrinking?  Find one report from the last 10 years that show any kind of decline.  The PS2 had many games that sold well over 10 million copies as did the PS1, the PS2 sold even more then the PS1 and there were far more high sales PS2 games then PS1 games.  In no way did Nintendo "save" anything, gaming was doing just fine with it on the sidelines for the N64 and Gamecube years.  They have provided a nice outlet to crap games like Imagine babies and bloom box, but thats about it; I was more then fine with gaming without a lot of those types of games myself.

   Using old hardware with old style games is in no way original.




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irstupid on 09 July 2008
Impulsivity said:
Paul said:
Impulsivity said:
I sure hope it is a fad or else the non kid crowd is doomed. When I say kid of course I don't just mean small children, but adults who still consider themselves small children as seen in their choices. I mean I loved Mario as much as the next guy and played super mario brothers a ton when I was...you know...6. I also liked kool Aid, enjoyed horrible movies like camp nowhere and even once or twice used a blanket near the couch to make a fort. I'm not saying that an adult can't drink Kool Aid while sitting in their blanket fort playing kung fu panda, I'm more saying someone who thinks of that as the pinnacle of the video game experience is only chronologically in their 20s.

My wife has a friend who REALLY likes the wii and when I suggested she try games for adults like Uncharted, Oblivion or Heavenly Sword she told me that I wasn't "nerdy" enough. Somehow when I wasn't looking being childish as an adult became the new avant garde, which explains all the rainbow bright Tshirts I see when I walk past trendy young adult stores (they're usually next to the "old school" NES controller tshirt). Now I'm sure some of you are going to say that I'm being polemic and there are in fact plenty of adult games on the Wii and/or I just don't understand fun. The truth is that there are very very few adult games on the Wii, and most of the adult games there are (Resident Evil 4, Rock Band, Okami) are ports or Playstation games. To say I don't understand fun because my tastes have matured with age is also kind of silly, as if there's something wrong with growing to prefer the Sopranos to the Ninja Turtles over the course of two decades.

The Wii is a sad future for games if it really does end up "winning" which I hope it won't. It started at the sweet spot price (250, which is the same as 200 dollars a few years back when the PS2 dropped to 199 and sold way more then it had before) because it used outdated hardware so yes, it sold more. In terms of dollars the Wii has not sold much more then the PS3. The Wii moved more consoles but the PS3 users were willing to pay more to not be stuck with Carnival Games, Imagine Ponies and the 8th Mario Kart rehash as their only choices.

The Wii is a system that returns games to the realm of children and childlike adults, that pushes obsolete (and thus more profitable) hardware, that cashes in on nostalgia instead of pushing the envelope with new ideas (Wii Fit being the sole exception) and worst of all pushes stagnation instead of real innovation. I salute Sony for putting cutting edge technology out there even at a loss, I would hate to be in the Nintendo only world where console makers change the enclosure of their last generation box, give it a new controller and call it an update.

Remember when Nintendo stuck with cartridges for YEARS after they were a good idea and everyone else had gone to CDs? Remember when Genesis came out and Nintendo kept pushing 8 bit graphics and inferior hardware only updating when they REALLY had to in order to keep market share? A Nintendo dominated world isn't good for anyone but Nintendo's bottom line. I still think that when the PS3 hits somewhere near the magic 250 price point in a year or so it will equal then surpass wii sales. Remember when the gamecube was 99 dollars (which the PS2 still isn't down to) and didn't sell a fraction of what the PS2 is still selling years later? When the PS2 is passed by the Wii (or the PS3 is passed by the next gen wii which is the same as this gens HD consoles in power) then feel free to talk about Nintendomination, but I doubt either of those will happen any time soon.

Why do you dislike children so much? They don't deserve a fun gaming experience that doesn't involve gunning down hoardes of aliens/nazis/zombies?

 

    I wasn't arguing for the 360 which from that comment you seem to think I am.

    Why is the alternative to kid games always portrayed as crazy FPS ultra violence?  Even when a game is based on an action premise with guns are you saying that there is no difference between the Godfather and a Steven Segeal movie because both have guns?  There are many many very good games for the PS3 that don't include any kind of outlandish ultraviolence.  Even in military themed games like Metal Gear Solid 4 you can go the whole game without killing a single person (actually have to in order to get the highest level achievements), there's a lot more to what makes a game adult then the amount of blood involved.  

   And I never said I hate kids, I liked kid games as a kid as I expect many kids today enjoy the same kinds of games (in which case its convenient that the Nintendo games have evolved very little).  The issue is more with all the adult fanboys who act as if somehow the Wii is a gift to mankind.  Loving the Wii is a product of regression into childhood as an adult pure and simple, if you embrace being a childish adult thats great, make fun of the name as a way of sidestepping that even, but I still contend that the Wii is a very negative development for an industry which was finally starting to come into its own as an art form.  No one is going to talk about how imagine babies and Smash Bros advance the stature of video games in any way.

 

 Can sum this all up into one huge OPINION.

Same as what I'm gonna say.  I've been playing games since I was litte, and sure I'm not super old. 23.  But I personally find any FPS game that has to do with army or something to be just so incredibly boring.  All you do is thrown into a linear level and go through shooting people, who are usually in the same spot.  (rainbow six vegas) thinking of that.  Watched my roomates paly that over and over again and it like WTF this is just stupid. 

Pretty much all of my games in my library you would I guess consider kiddy.  yet I have a cousin who from 9-13 (current age 13) his library you would consider growing up and devolopement for the industry. 

Don't throw your opinions into the industries devolopement as regression or progression.  Both systems did their own progression.  Wii went towards motion control and HD consoles went towards physics/AI, both are meant to immerse you more into the game.  Which you think is better is opinion, just like which game you think is funner between (Super Smash and COD4)



deathcape on 09 July 2008
Impulsivity said:
Kurakasa said:
deathcape said:


the Wii is following this trend....I think you guys really ARE afraid of the new way of gaming..wow..^^''

and I thought Sean Maelstrom was just joking....

 

Afraid? I doubt it. Interested in "new way of gaming", absolutely not. If you are talking about ds/wii type games as a new way of gaming, that is.

 

   What is this "new way of gaming" anyway?  Is it related to the controller which is so awkward with many of the Wii's biggest titles that after Smash Bros and Mario Kart came out two Gamestops near me were both sold out of old gamecube controllers people had bought to play those games? Is it related to not having voice chat or any kind of matchmaking so children are 100% safe?  Is it related to playing slightly updated versions of the same games that were big in the mid 80s and calling them new?  I really fail to see where any part of the Wii is new.  There were minigame collections, strange control methods (Eye Toy for instance) and childish adventure games long before the Wii came along, I can't think of a single thing that is really new or evolved other then the marketing.

they were there before...ofcourse, but nintendo is not trying to seperate those types of games from general gaming...as for updated games?..wtf?

go play MGS4 or GTA4....now THAT is 'just' updated

Brawl sold GC controllers because it was a game meant to be played like that...don't try to ignore the games who use the Wiimote better....

 

jeez...so much nitpicking...I think you are a trolling fanboy...

and the controller makes nothing awkward...since you haven't played a Wii for over 15 minutes..or a good game on it for that matter

it's just sad...besides...you don't want to believe me...or reality for that matter...you want to cling, cling unsightly to your beliefs

go ahead...Nintendo is in the bridge stage right now..before that everything was seperated...now they're trying to fuse them

and later comes upstreaming...you hate it? go ahead...

 



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thekitchensink on 09 July 2008
Impulsivity said:
Kurakasa said:
deathcape said:


the Wii is following this trend....I think you guys really ARE afraid of the new way of gaming..wow..^^''

and I thought Sean Maelstrom was just joking....

 

Afraid? I doubt it. Interested in "new way of gaming", absolutely not. If you are talking about ds/wii type games as a new way of gaming, that is.

 

What is this "new way of gaming" anyway? Is it related to the controller which is so awkward with many of the Wii's biggest titles that after Smash Bros and Mario Kart came out two Gamestops near me were both sold out of old gamecube controllers people had bought to play those games? Is it related to not having voice chat or any kind of matchmaking so children are 100% safe? Is it related to playing slightly updated versions of the same games that were big in the mid 80s and calling them new? I really fail to see where any part of the Wii is new. There were minigame collections, strange control methods (Eye Toy for instance) and childish adventure games long before the Wii came along, I can't think of a single thing that is really new or evolved other then the marketing.

 

There's really no point even bothering with you, as you don't respond to any posts but the ones that agree with you.



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HappySqurriel on 09 July 2008

Just to expand upon my earlier point (which no one seemed to disagree with) ...

There are two things to consider when discussion whether the Wii is a fad or not, what is the definition of a 'Fad' and what is implied by saying "The Wii is a fad!"

As I said earlier, if you use the definition that a fad is a "Short live period of extreme popularity that is poorly explained with rational analysis" then the Wii and ever other dominant console can be considered a fad. No console remains widely popular for much more than (about) 5 years, and most consoles faced competition which was measureably better in many ways which was not nearly as popular.

Now, what are you implying when you say "The Wii is a fad!"? ... If the implication is that everyone will suddenly wake up and come to their senses, and there will be no long term fall out from the Wii's success you'd be wrong. Every 'Fad' that has ever existed has left a long standing impact in the market where it originated ... Disco is not really dead, and many of the most popular tracks and albums of the past 3 decades have their roots in Disco (whether musically, or in spirit); fitness fads (like Tae Bow) end up being incorporated into (pretty much) every future fitness program; and in videogames the elements that made one game or platform super successful are incorporated into (pretty much) every genre and future platform.



irstupid on 09 July 2008
Impulsivity said:
Kurakasa said:
deathcape said:


the Wii is following this trend....I think you guys really ARE afraid of the new way of gaming..wow..^^''

and I thought Sean Maelstrom was just joking....

 

Afraid? I doubt it. Interested in "new way of gaming", absolutely not. If you are talking about ds/wii type games as a new way of gaming, that is.

 

   What is this "new way of gaming" anyway?  Is it related to the controller which is so awkward with many of the Wii's biggest titles that after Smash Bros and Mario Kart came out two Gamestops near me were both sold out of old gamecube controllers people had bought to play those games? Is it related to not having voice chat or any kind of matchmaking so children are 100% safe?  Is it related to playing slightly updated versions of the same games that were big in the mid 80s and calling them new?  I really fail to see where any part of the Wii is new.  There were minigame collections, strange control methods (Eye Toy for instance) and childish adventure games long before the Wii came along, I can't think of a single thing that is really new or evolved other then the marketing.

1.  Your 80's comment -   Hmm lets do the typical PS3 game hype.   MGS4, GTA4, GT5, Devil May Cry 4, GOW 3, gonna stop and not continue.  well not all are from 80 or anything like that.  But hmm I will leave this thinking up to you to see where i'm going.  Would help some of you to think for a second.

2. Did you ever think that all the poeple buying the old controlers were people like you who never give the control scheme even a chance.  Pretty sure any new people to gaming don't even know you can use an old controler and prefer the new one.  I'm sure majority of the gamecube controllers being bought were bought with the game or before the person had it.  Then they played th egame only with the controler without giving the wii scheme a chance. 

3. For your last point.  Yes pretty much any idea has been thought up before.  This however was a gamble to base your system entirely off the control method.  Others were add ons that didn't really catch on. 

- but beyond that, name what the others did.  Nothing.  Just bigger hardware so you could make graphics and more enemies and physics and ai.  All that was always improved upon in every gen.  Even the wii did so compared to last gen. 

 



MadHatter on 09 July 2008

I can't think of a single thing that is really new or evolved other then the marketing (wii).

The ''Mii'' feature alone is a HUGE innovation.

Most people I know who bought a Wii, they went crazy with the idea of making their cartoon persona and play games with their Mii-character. It was one of the main reasons that loved the Wii.

Nintendo  spent many years developing the Mii feature and obviously knew what they were doing.

 

 



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deathcape on 09 July 2008
Impulsivity said:
deathcape said:
Kurakasa said:
deathcape said:


the Wii is following this trend....I think you guys really ARE afraid of the new way of gaming..wow..^^''

and I thought Sean Maelstrom was just joking....

 

Afraid? I doubt it. Interested in "new way of gaming", absolutely not. If you are talking about ds/wii type games as a new way of gaming, that is.

 

you really are sad...you do know the Video game market was shrinking in the last decade? right?....it's dying...

I'm happy Nintendo saved us...once again...or would you like a six button with one joystick controller ON the console...like in the arcades?

meh...if you don't like evolution..and actual growth...too bad ^_^

you'll go extinct..

 

    Shrinking?  Find one report from the last 10 years that show any kind of decline.  The PS2 had many games that sold well over 10 million copies as did the PS1, the PS2 sold even more then the PS1 and there were far more high sales PS2 games then PS1 games.  In no way did Nintendo "save" anything, gaming was doing just fine with it on the sidelines for the N64 and Gamecube years.  They have provided a nice outlet to crap games like Imagine babies and bloom box, but thats about it; I was more then fine with gaming without a lot of those types of games myself.

   Using old hardware with old style games is in no way original.

 

how pathetic ^_^ you should grow up...actually...shooters and bloody games are very IMMATURE games...not mature...and you're showing how immature you are right now XDD it's funny..really

 

think before you shout..s'il vous plait

 

selling tons of games mans nothing: the amount of consoles sold was lss than before if we look at total sales (of all consoles and not forgetting mutliple console owners)

 

wich means..it's shrinking LOL missed that..didn't you?

the Wii is growing a stagnant market...so stop beating on your chest and shouting like a gorilla..and think...plox?

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Kurakasa on 09 July 2008
deathcape said:

how pathetic ^_^ you should grow up...actually...shooters and bloody games are very IMMATURE games...not mature...and you're showing how immature you are right now XDD it's funny..really

 

think before you shout..s'il vous plait

 

Maybe you should do the same? Where did he mention "shooters and bloody games"? And why a shooter or a bloody game is always immature? You are actually not even funny.. just plain sad.