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MrMarc on 08 July 2008
Fei-Hung said:
@ Mr Marc - I wouldn't say it is technically triumphing the ps3. i would only go as far as saying that to this very date, it has sold more units then the ps3.

To out sell the ps3, the 360 would have to have sold more units then the ps3 on a weekly comparison from date it has been released and VGC has already pointed out that if anything, the ps3 has outsold the 360 on since its release on cumulative sales in europe and japan.

Also technically speaking, the ps3 is more powerful then the 360. Therefore, technically you are wrong.

But technically speaking - the PS3 has yet to prove it is actually more powerful than the 360, that's what I'm referring to. It cannot rightfully be called the more powerful console either until it begins to constantly show games technically more advanced than on the 360, as of yet - it hasn't done that.

 



 

 
 
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Shameless on 08 July 2008

The game sucks, there's hardly anybody online and Epic has failed at supporting it. Why is there so much discussion for a crap game?

Oh, console warz.



MikeB on 08 July 2008
ion-storm said:
MikeB said:
Fishie said:
MikeB said:
Goddbless said:
johnsobas said:
yea it is more than likely due to longer development time, but when a game comes out later on PS3 and it's better many people say they are using the PS3's power.

 

I guess because they all think the 360 was maxed out with Gears 1.

 

That's actually what Epic claimed when they released Gears of War, but IMO their claims should be taken with a grain of salt. They also claimed Gears couldn't be done on the PS3, we all know that's not very honest for them to claim.

 

 They never claimed that.

"We pushed the 360 to the limits," Gears of War QA manager Preston Thorne told Siliconera at last night's Hollywood launch party.

"Preston Thorne, Gears of War QA manager has stated multiple times that Gears of War pushes the Xbox 360 to its limits. So the big question in our minds is, is Gears of War really the most-demanding game we will see on the Xbox 360? Is this game the limit for all titles on Microsoft’s second-gen console?"

 

You can be using 100% CPU utilisation fairly easily. Using it efficiently is a different matter.

They will learn how to make better use of the hardware over time. I don't see why this is a suprise. I don't think any console would hit the peak of performance so early.

I know, like I said before a launch game like Kameo already used up 85% of the 360's CPU (source Microsoft). I was just pointing out Epic claimed to push the 360 to the max in response to someone.

Destructoid: " just got back from a short private briefing with Epic's Mark Rein detailing the ins and outs of Unreal Engine 3. I'll let you know some of the huge points that were hit on:"

"Mark said they pushed every corner of the 360 with Gears of War"



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

Kasz216 on 08 July 2008
kingofwale said:
NJ5 said:
kingofwale said:
In order to save hardcore gaming.... MUST buy UTIII for xbox 360

EUROGamer has SPOKEN!!!


If you're referring to what I think you are, you just unlocked the achievement of "Knee-jerk reaction".

That was Edge, not Eurogamer...

 

really? Well, my apolgies, it's hard to distinguish those two, being the only 2 reviews giving MGS4 an ridiculous subpar review and all. ;)

Well those two and 10 other reviewers if you are really considering an 8 subpar.

 



Kasz216 on 08 July 2008
Shameless said:

The game sucks, there's hardly anybody online and Epic has failed at supporting it. Why is there so much discussion for a crap game?

Oh, console warz.

Well that and the Unreal Tournment 3 is less a game and more a selling point for the Unreal Engine.... which is by far the most used engine in videogame making....

Meaning a large amount of multi-platform games are going to be using it.

So by the Unreal engine running better on the 360... it seems likely that any third party multiplatform game using the engine has a good chance of running better on the 360.

That's the real point.



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Kasz216 on 08 July 2008
Fei-Hung said:
these debates in here really dont go anywhere do they?:S

it would be nice to see plato, sophocoles, aristotle and homer sitting in forums debating what the greatest console is.

ps3) the one which wields the power but doesnt know how to use it
wii) the one which offers fun for cheap
360) the one who offers the least but has the money to survive

History has taught us that money can buy you power. This theory should mean MS are the clear winners and one day the 360 will be victorious.

History has also taught us that small things can overcome big obstacles- David and Goliath. This theory should prove the Wii will most definitely succeed and beat the living day lights out of the 360 and ps3.

History has also taught us that if you wake the sleeping elephant, he will crush you. So in theory, if the ps3 ever wakes up, the wii and 360 are doomed.

Each console has the ability to out perform the other but which one actually wins is down to the consoles ability to realise its potential and share it with the world in its utmost glory.

A good point...

in like 2006.

Now... history seems pretty much written barring miracles.

 



AnarchyWest on 08 July 2008
MrMarc said:

I love how people (PS3 fanboys) constantly give Eurogamer shit simply because they prove time and time again the 360 has it up over on the PS3. They're only one of the most respected gaming sites on the internet with a constant line of integrity and yet they're so full of shit?

The fact that the 360 is technically trumping the 'more powerful' PS3 is common knowledge, why aren't you ready to accept that?

I've said it before and I'll keep on saying it until I'm proven wrong, but in the end when it all comes down to simple real world gaming, the 360 is more powerful than the PS3.


seeing as your nintendo fanboy i guarantee if a site like IGN bashed the Wii and its games for being too childish you wouldn't have anything nice to say about IGN

Fei-Hung on 08 July 2008

But technically speaking - the PS3 has yet to prove it is actually more powerful than the 360, that's what I'm referring to. It cannot rightfully be called the more powerful console either until it begins to constantly show games technically more advanced than on the 360, as of yet - it hasn't done that.

 

but you are still wrong since your original quote was the 360 being technically triumphant over the ps3. From what you said above, what has the 360 done technically triumphant over the ps3? the answer is nothing! Had you said the wii, i wouldn't argue. the wii has technically whooped both the consoles.

Technically, wherever you go, it is always the same story, where technically the ps3 can do more. games liek Uncharted and Killzone2 have proven this (I know killzone2 isn't out yet but the in game videos they have shown are technically awesome and beyond anything i have seen on a 360 or a ps3).

 



AnarchyWest on 08 July 2008

double posted



ssj12 on 08 July 2008
HappySqurriel said:
ssj12 said:
NJ5 said:
ssj12 said:

 

Which my response was clearly ignored because I shoved your assertion back at you with Epic's history of releasing Mac based versions of their games on PowerPC CPUs.


But what you said was "the 360 is basically a PC on the inside" which is false for many reasons which have been pointed out. Macs have nothing to do with the conversation...

Anyway, that horse has been beaten to death.

 

 

 Mac is a PC. 360 = PC. 360 CPU = updated Mac CPU. UT = Mac and PC franchise. So Epic = experienced with PowerPC CPUs.

Well, you could argue that the Cell processor is just an updated Mac CPU ...

The truth is that developing for any console is quite a bit different than developing for the PC, and after 3 years of development you should be getting performance similar to what you will ever achieve; at this point in time, most of the improvement in graphics will come from artists being able to produce better looking models and textures with using less polygons and pixels.

 

here is the problem when saying the Cell is an upgraded PPC like the Xenon.

The Cell is designed to be a GPCPU, similar to what Intel is releasing at the end of 2009. Each SPE runs similar to a stream processor versus a symmetric core. The main PPE core is based on the PPC core but overall the rest of the chip is not.

The Xenon is just a PPC with three PPC cores. Its like comparing a Core 2 Duo and a Core 2 Quad. Whats the difference? Basically nothing but to more symmetric cores.

Epic having experience coding a PPC versus a GPCPU thanks to past Mac game development meaning they had a leg up with coding for it.

 



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