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Stats87 on 05 July 2008
EaglesEye379 said:
Stats87 said:
EaglesEye379 said:
So anyway, are any of these 360 JRPG exclusives going to make any of you JRPG-hardcore non-360 owners get one?

My guess...no.

To have the Hardcore-JRPG-non-360-Fan buy the system, it would to have an undisputed AAA RPG. Games like Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon and ToV are too debatable in quality. Infinite Undiscovery I predict will fall into the same category, time will tell.

Star Ocean:TLH is the only currently announced 360 JRPG that I think could cause people to purchase a 360.

Obviously this isn't the case for everyone though, just the majority of them. (this of course is just my speculative opinion with conjecture as my main source of evidence)

 

Although I think LO and BD and great JRPGs, some people do have the Gooch's rose-tinted glasses when they pour accolades at them. The games have very old concepts and gameplay and has been sugarcoated with the big individuals behind them. The whole development team behind it has to be great and experienced, not just the leader.

Thats why I think the upcoming 360 JRPGs will be much less 'debatable' as you say. They are from big name teams like Namco, Tri-Ace who have more collective experience at making a good JRPG.

 

By debatable I mean the general consensus about the game. Lost Odyssey runs the gamut in terms of opinion, even more so with Blue Dragon. Whereas Final Fantasy garners Universal appraise, with a lot less dissension amongst critics.

So if Lost Odyssey had an average of 90+, or even 95, mix that in with it's more accessible visual style and you would see the Hardcore JRPG crowd buy a 360 in droves. Instead Lost Odyssey averages between 78 - 80 with scores ranging from 9.6/10 to 5/10. So people will be apprehensive in buying a 360 for a "debatable" game.

Although I do find that those who hate Final Fantasy, hate it a lot.



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Riachu on 05 July 2008
Stats87 said:
Riachu said:
Stats87 said:
Soriku said:
Stats87 said:
Soriku said:

I don't think ToV is debatable in quality. I mean it has Team Symphonia working on it after all. It should be great.

I think i should have worded that better.

I don't mean debatable in general quality, I meant debatable in terms of AAA or Elite quality.


Team Symphonia is AAA/Elite :P But I think I know what you mean. Mainstream quality right? Like FF or MGS?

yup, pretty much

Because of its Art Design and Style, ToV doesn't appeal to the North American market as much.

As for Tales of Symphonia, it's #10 on my Post-Snes RPG List and and #15 on my all-time RPG list, so I concur in its "Eliteness", but a lot of people will disagree.

Did you ever play Radiata Stories? It's like a Suikoden/Tales/Star Ocean hybrid.

The art design and style have nothing to do with the "Tales of" series being debatable in AAA quality. i.e. Persona 3 and FES mangaed to get 88% and 89% respectively

EDIT:DQVIII also got 90% on gamerankings and that game was cel-shaded

 

no, no, no

I'm not saying the Art Design has anything to do with how good the game is.

The original question is whether any of the 360 RPG's would cause Hardcore-JRPG Fans to convert over to the 360. (mainly those who are anti-xbox) My point was that only Mainstream AAA games could cause this shift (specifically in Europe and North America) and that Tales Games because of their Visual Design don't have the mass appeal needed. So no matter how good Tales of Vesperia is, it wouldn't cause a noticeable shift to the 360 from the JRPG crowd.

Which is why I think Star Ocean is their best "hope", because it is an established Franchise with the mass Visual Appeal to go with it.

QFT

While Star Ocean 4's art style is anime-ish, the character models are still realistically poportained enough to hide that fact

 



 

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Riachu on 05 July 2008
Stats87 said:
EaglesEye379 said:
Stats87 said:
EaglesEye379 said:
So anyway, are any of these 360 JRPG exclusives going to make any of you JRPG-hardcore non-360 owners get one?

My guess...no.

To have the Hardcore-JRPG-non-360-Fan buy the system, it would to have an undisputed AAA RPG. Games like Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon and ToV are too debatable in quality. Infinite Undiscovery I predict will fall into the same category, time will tell.

Star Ocean:TLH is the only currently announced 360 JRPG that I think could cause people to purchase a 360.

Obviously this isn't the case for everyone though, just the majority of them. (this of course is just my speculative opinion with conjecture as my main source of evidence)

 

Although I think LO and BD and great JRPGs, some people do have the Gooch's rose-tinted glasses when they pour accolades at them. The games have very old concepts and gameplay and has been sugarcoated with the big individuals behind them. The whole development team behind it has to be great and experienced, not just the leader.

Thats why I think the upcoming 360 JRPGs will be much less 'debatable' as you say. They are from big name teams like Namco, Tri-Ace who have more collective experience at making a good JRPG.

 

By debatable I mean the general consensus about the game. Lost Odyssey runs the gamut in terms of opinion, even more so with Blue Dragon. Whereas Final Fantasy garners Universal appraise, with a lot less dissension amongst critics.

So if Lost Odyssey had an average of 90+, or even 95, mix that in with it's more accessible visual style and you would see the Hardcore JRPG crowd buy a 360 in droves. Instead Lost Odyssey averages between 78 - 80 with scores ranging from 9.6/10 to 5/10. So people will be apprehensive in buying a 360 for a "debatable" game.

Although I do find that those who hate Final Fantasy, hate it a lot.

From what I can tell, people who hated FFXII liked LO(and vice versa).  I, on the other hand, really like both games.  I do however rate FFXII slightly higher than LO though

 



 

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Mighty_Douche on 06 July 2008

Combat looks good. i like how the background is still active when you access the menu screen. Is there an hd version of this video?



pearljammer on 06 July 2008
BengaBenga said:
pearljammer said:
Stats87 said:
Torillian said:
@stats
yeah I quit in the middle of the .hack games, battle system just got on my nerves I guess. I really did enjoy the concept of the games though.

You have an impressive number of RPG's played Stats, might be more than my own, I'll have to make a list and see.

What can I say, I'm a sucker for spiky hair, teenage angst and cataclysmic storytelling.

Yeah, sometimes I cannot believe how many of them I've beaten, even games I only found to be ok. I guess I always wanted to see how they ended and forced myself to beat them.

My Top 10 of all time would be (not including SNES)

  1. Final Fantasy X
  2. Xenogears
  3. Kingdom Hearts II
  4. Suikoden II
  5. Final Fantasy 8
  6. Kingdom Hearts
  7. Final Fantasy VII
  8. Star Ocean:Second Story
  9. Suikoden III
  10. Tales of Symphonia

Honorable Mention, Suikoden I and V, Chrono Cross, Dark Cloud II, DQVIII and Rogue Galaxy

But yeah, I love my RPG's. The worst RPG i ever beat was probably Legaia 2:Duel Saga, but that had a really fun battle system.

That is indeed a great list. While mine would be somewhat similar, I'd have to include some SRPG's

  1. FFX
  2. FF XIII
  3. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
  4. Suikoden II
  5. Dark Cloud 2
  6. Dragon Quest XIII
  7. Final Fantasy XII
  8. Xenogears
  9. Final Fantasy Tactics
  10. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance

Nice to see that someone else thinks FFIV is the greatest SNES game. Cannot wait for the DS remake! 

 

Is that a mistake or anticipation?

  1. Final Fantasy X
  2. Secret of Mana
  3. Suikoden III
  4. Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
  5. Chrono Trigger
  6. ales of Symphonia
  7. Final Fantasy VI
  8. Xenogears
  9. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
  10. Skies of Arcadia

I'm seriously considering a 360, but I'm waiting to see where Suikoden and maybe Xenogears go. If they come to Wii I'll probably take the 360 RPG's over FFXIII.

 

Very much a mistake. Was supposed to be VIII instead of XIII, same with DQVIII and FFVII.... Oops

Didn't include SNES ones either. If I had, FFIV, FFVI, Chrono Trigger and Secret of Mana would have likely made the cut.

However unlikely another Xenogears would be, I become excited just thinking about it.



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BengaBenga on 06 July 2008

@Soriku: Why would a new Xenogears be out of the question? With the lack of a real console champion like PS1-2 they have to divide their franchises, which means that they could use something like Xenogears to serve the hardcore RPG gamers on Wii.

As it stands right now Marvelous, Atlus and Namco are already putting their main RPG efforts on Wii. Square has to do something on Wii to be able to compete. Their 2 most important franchises are already not on the Wii, and with all your respect KH is not a very hardcore RPG. Something like Xenogears could work, because the fans aren's graphic whores so the series is not that constrained by expectations.



tombi123 on 06 July 2008

No one would ever know this thread was supposed to be about Infinite Undiscovery.



routsounmanman on 06 July 2008

This doesn't look good to me people; characters move like bricks, the graphics are Oblivion-like and you cannot really tell much for the gameplay. I'll have to wait for this one.



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JaggedSac on 06 July 2008
tombi123 said:
No one would ever know this thread was supposed to be about Infinite Undiscovery.

 

LOL.  You sir, are correct.



EaglesEye379 on 07 July 2008

AWESOME new video of Tales of Vesperia.