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The Ghost of RubangB said:
senseinobaka said:
I can't believe the police told him to sit around and do nothing. That is crazy. This is why everyone in the country should be deputized on their own/family/friends property. The fact that countless thousands of dollars were wasted investigating what happened, hiring a jury, judge, and lawyers is stupid. All that should have happened was Mr. Horn being asked to file an incident or police report with the Police Department for record keeping.

Why have a police department at all then? Why investigate murders? Why not just give all murderers the benefit of the doubt and trust them when they say "self-defense"?

Hiring a jury, judge, and lawyers isn't stupid.

Of course the cops told him to stay inside. He wasn't trained for this kind of situation and could have gotten himself killed. The cops (who were trained for just this) were on their way. According to one article, a detective was already on the scene when he started shooting. He didn't know what he was doing and 2 people died.

 

You can't murder felons in the commitment of a felony.

You can stop them.

You can commit manslaughter.

You can't murder them. Upon breaking a felony criminal law, these men give up their rights to law enforcement. Those are the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

Instead, they now have different rights.

The right to remain silent, ect.

If they flee from police, that in itself is a felony.

 

I watched the interview with this guy on the O'Reilley factor right after it happened. That interview is probably on youtube. His lawyer claimed that as they bolted, one actually bolted in a direction where he moved closer to mister horn.

Imagine a circle. Only one has to move closer to him for him to be in fear of his life from both assailants.

As much as we like to be indignate, in court, no one here would possibly be able to find Mr. Horn at fault.

When jury's deliberate, they are given strict instructions and guidelines to determine by the judge. You don't just make a broad ranging decision at the beginning, and what the law says be damned. Even with the halfassed information we got, it's easy to tell that Horn(or whatever his name was) has a perfect defense, and there is no way in hell he could ever get convicted.

 

A grand jury just decides if there is even a possibility that there is enough evidence to convict him. I can't assume that they are corrupt also, with no evidence.



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I think someone's life is more important than stuff. Even if the burglar was a bum, he shouldn't have had died. I would have let the authorities handle it. At worst, I would have shot them in the leg. Well both legs.



It is a shame two people died over something so petty.

The murderer wasn't in any danger at all. The two burglars were either running away from him, or at least not facing him. He should have just phoned the police and stayed in his home.

The murderer should have served time in prison. Clearing him of any charges just encourages people to take the law into their own hands. Next an innocent person will die because someone decided to act, but didn't know how to aim a gun properly.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
But nobody should ever be shot in the back when they're running away.

 

A rapist, child molestor, mass murderer, terrorist, or child murderer should be shot while running away, or after they are caught...imho.

 

That's me stepping out from behind the law, right there, lol.

 

I think this is the first time i have ever agreed with you Zen.  But try not to kill the child molesters, they deserve far worse then death.

 

Child molesters are usually mentally ill. They don't deserve death, they deserve help.

 



here is the full 911 call

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtKCC7z0yc





what i get from this is:  He was interested in stopping them but spoke about shooting them in the context of self preservation only, rather than shooting them to stop the robbery.



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
senseinobaka said:
I can't believe the police told him to sit around and do nothing. That is crazy. This is why everyone in the country should be deputized on their own/family/friends property. The fact that countless thousands of dollars were wasted investigating what happened, hiring a jury, judge, and lawyers is stupid. All that should have happened was Mr. Horn being asked to file an incident or police report with the Police Department for record keeping.

Why have a police department at all then?  Why investigate murders?  Why not just give all murderers the benefit of the doubt and trust them when they say "self-defense"?

Hiring a jury, judge, and lawyers isn't stupid.

Of course the cops told him to stay inside.  He wasn't trained for this kind of situation and could have gotten himself killed.  The cops (who were trained for just this) were on their way.  According to one article, a detective was already on the scene when he started shooting.  He didn't know what he was doing and 2 people died.

 

 

I think you may not fully understand my position. I feel that in a situation in which someone is invading my home and threatening my family and home I should be qualified as head of my house and the property owner to take law enforcement action. I should not have to wait for the police and I should not have to worry about being arrested for protecting my family. I also dont think tax money should be spent on an investigation; the police should be using their time protecting victims and catching criminals, not persecuting someone who refused to be victimized.

With that said, I'm not looking to kill someone. I respect life a lot. I think That Guy said it best a few posts up. I'm not going to kill to protect my flat-screen tv or Nintendo Wii, but threatening my wife and children (should I have some) will be a very unwise move for a criminal with a goal to live.

In this case, imagine if Mr. Horn was a cop. If a cop told the criminals at gun point to freeze and not move and they made sudden movements at night, that cop can, and in most cases will shoot. That's a matter of self defense, it can't be assumed that they will simply run away; what if they tackle you? or what if one had a firearm too? Would that cop be charged? I don’t think so.

 



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