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ssj12 on 01 July 2008
Million said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
Million said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
@Million

The difference is that what i do with my sexuality doesn't affect other people, being gay isn't harmful to anyone while being a pedophile or a murderer is harmful to others.

Liking a person of the same sex is not against the human rights, while killing, raping, or any kind of molestation is against the human rights.

I want to have the freedom to love whoever i want, without hurting anyone while the pedophile wants to have the freedom to harm others.

(I can't say what i think about this subject any better even though i have a much more complete view on it because i'm not posting in my native language but whatever.)

 For some one who's not posting in their native language that still better than alot of english speakers I know , anyway. "Human Rights" was created by people delegated the power to do so , these so called rights have no real value except that which we give it.

You still ignore my point however , by straying away from traditional values and social norms you also have to accept the consequences that come with it such as your own human rights , if we are to be free of dictatorship and determinism we must choose not to impose our views on others . Homosexual people hate people imposing their own views about other people so why can't peadophiles and raphists do the same ? there is no one in a position to declare what is right and wrong like I said previously.

 

I don't think homosexuals want to impose their beliefs and views on other people, they just want to live a happy life without being chased by everyone and without harming anyone.

Your statement is contradictory you can't have the later without the later.

 

ssj12 said:

Fernando said:
I don't have any problems with gay people. I mean, I don't have gay friends and I don't want to make friendship with them. They can live their lives that way if they want...

I had friends... good friends, than after many years, they confessed that they are gay. I try to help them, try to convince them to go to church. But they didn't wanted. So I don't want any more friendship with them.

But that is wrong... I don't want to sound like a bad people, but being gay is wrong. Why? Because is a sin. And is a sin that can be fix if you go to the church. There are a lot of testimonials about gay people that know that is wrong, and God has helped them.

People don't born gay. And people can change.

I'm methodist, by the way.

And this is a very delicated topic, so I don't want me to judge me for this post.

 

SSJ Said :If you are going to use a religious argument, I'm going to throw a religious argument right back.

The Bible, and books assosiated, were all written through out many generations. Some books were taken out of the series due to them contridicting Priests teachings. Like for example the Gospel of Mary, which shows that she was not a whore like current teachings suggest. The reason it and many were thrown out was due to the Church's switch in belief that women have no power in the Church, which before the books were thrown out was not true. Women were Priests or held even higher positions in the Church.

The Bible also is nothing more then a historical story book, thats right I said it. The Bible's stories are twisted stories of either what really happened, example the Plagues, or stories of faith, example Noah's Arch. A book and religion that has changed and been rewritten hundreds of times holds as much truth in it as the Harry Potter books. 

The concept of Religion is hope based. Without a belief of a higher being, or afterlife, or next step, there would be no belief in and of hope in this world. Without hope for even a better day then today, for example, would make this a very depressing world.

In general, you put the belief of what is right and wrong based on what a book told you. You have not allowed yourself to freely believe what you want. You are not letting your own thoughts freely understand the world around you and what is really right and wrong.


Million Said Your post is full of opinionative , circumstantial , largley inconclusive information.

 

 

Only to people who dont read into it as far as I have.

 



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.:Dark Prince:. on 01 July 2008
Million said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
Million said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
Million said:
.:Dark Prince:. said:
@Million

The difference is that what i do with my sexuality doesn't affect other people, being gay isn't harmful to anyone while being a pedophile or a murderer is harmful to others.

Liking a person of the same sex is not against the human rights, while killing, raping, or any kind of molestation is against the human rights.

I want to have the freedom to love whoever i want, without hurting anyone while the pedophile wants to have the freedom to harm others.

(I can't say what i think about this subject any better even though i have a much more complete view on it because i'm not posting in my native language but whatever.)

 For some one who's not posting in their native language that still better than alot of english speakers I know , anyway. "Human Rights" was created by people delegated the power to do so , these so called rights have no real value except that which we give it.

You still ignore my point however , by straying away from traditional values and social norms you also have to accept the consequences that come with it such as your own human rights , if we are to be free of dictatorship and determinism we must choose not to impose our views on others . Homosexual people hate people imposing their own views about other people so why can't peadophiles and raphists do the same ? there is no one in a position to declare what is right and wrong like I said previously.

 

I don't think homosexuals want to impose their beliefs and views on other people, they just want to live a happy life without being chased by everyone and without harming anyone.

Your statement is contradictory you can't have the later without the later.

How is it contradictory?

 

Homosexuals have to impose their views on others if they to ever have acceptance/peace.

Definition : To establish or apply as compulsory; levy: impose a tax.

Therfore they cannot "live happies lives without being chased by everyone" without doing so , in order for the homosexual to argue against traditional values and norms i'm guessing they'd argue their freedom to choose what they feel is best for them , what the are entitled to as human beings . I argued in response to this that the peadophile or rapist would equally be entitled to argue his freedom to choose and decide what is best for him , it doesn't matter wether people get hurt from it , freedom.

Define : The condition of being free of restraints.

means that we depart from our traditional values and accept that everyone is entitled to do what they feel is best for them , you can't accept the homosexual man is free to be homosexual yet deny the peadophile the freedom to carry out his own activies unless you accept that we should ony allow  freedom to the extent which is convenient for the majority .

Oh see the fact that i'm not a native speaker got in the way, i thought impose meant something like force.



 

Kasz216 on 01 July 2008
Million said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
People were getting married before religions. There goes your argument.

 

Regardless , it's a sidepoint but marriage still means a partnership between a man and a woman.

Once again... no it doesn't. Gay people used to get married in a plenty of places.  There is evidence it's existed at least as long as recorded history.

 



ssj12 on 01 July 2008
Million said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
People were getting married before religions. There goes your argument.

 

Regardless , it's a sidepoint but marriage still means a partnership between a man and a woman.

 

marriage is between those who love eachother. It is not defined by gender.



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Million on 01 July 2008
fkusumot said:
Million said:

Define : The condition of being free of restraints.

means that we depart from our traditional values and accept that everyone is entitled to do what they feel is best for them , you can't accept the homosexual man is free to be homosexual yet deny the peadophile the freedom to carry out his own activies unless you accept that we should ony allow  freedom to the extent which is convenient for the majority .

So you subscribe to the view that positivistic fascism is a good moral compass. Well bully for you. You'll find lots of like minded people in the National Front.

 

Um...could you trasnlate to colloquial langauge , I don't undderstand some of the terms you used.




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The Ghost of RubangB on 01 July 2008
Million said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
People were getting married before religions. There goes your argument.

 

Regardless , it's a sidepoint but marriage still means a partnership between a man and a woman.

You can believe that all you want, and I can tell you that "money" is defined as "what comes out of my butt."  I can even point at a magic book that says so.

The government is not required to pass laws on definitions.



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Million on 01 July 2008
ssj12 said:
Million said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
People were getting married before religions. There goes your argument.

 

Regardless , it's a sidepoint but marriage still means a partnership between a man and a woman.

 

marriage is between those who love eachother. It is not defined by gender.

Regardless of the defintion people , it's far from the main point , my argument is hardly defeated based on this , like I said it was a side point.

 

lol you were all waiting for me to make an error so you could pounce on me , i'm not a robot you know.

 




The Ghost of RubangB on 01 July 2008

I think you missed this post earlier:

"Did you just argue that if I reject G-d I have to reject all morality because morals can only come from your G-d and I can't derive them from anything else at all?"

I'm an atheist, but I'm not killing, stealing, lying, raping, manipulating, and molesting my way through life. Why do you think that is?

Do you honestly think the only morality in life comes from fear of a bad afterlife? I'm not afraid of anything and I'm a good person.

Or am I only good because I'm afraid of jail?

Your religion doesn't get to regulate my life. I don't go to your church. Your religious ideas shouldn't affect laws I have to follow.



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Kasz216 on 01 July 2008
Million said:
ssj12 said:
Million said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
People were getting married before religions. There goes your argument.

 

Regardless , it's a sidepoint but marriage still means a partnership between a man and a woman.

 

marriage is between those who love eachother. It is not defined by gender.

Regardless of the defintion people , it's far from the main point , my argument is hardly defeated based on this , like I said it was a side point.

 

lol you were all waiting for me to make an error so you could pounce on me , i'm not a robot you know.

 

You've yet to make a point... I mean... if someone comes up to you and puts a gun to your head.  According to god you are supposed to let him shoot you.

So the whole religious argument is bunk.

 



Million on 01 July 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I think you missed this post earlier:

"Did you just argue that if I reject G-d I have to reject all morality because morals can only come from your G-d and I can't derive them from anything else at all?"

I'm an atheist, but I'm not killing, stealing, lying, raping, manipulating, and molesting my way through life. Why do you think that is?

Do you honestly think the only morality in life comes from fear of a bad afterlife? I'm not afraid of anything and I'm a good person.

Or am I only good because I'm afraid of jail?

Your religion doesn't get to regulate my life. I don't go to your church. Your religious ideas shouldn't affect laws I have to follow.

"Did you just argue that if I reject G-d I have to reject all morality because morals can only come from your G-d and I can't derive them from anything else at all?"

 

Not at all , i'm arguing quite the opposite , if you reject god you accept the my view is just as good as yours , without a God ( objective , supernatural being ) to establish beforehand  what is truly right and wrong  , rigth and wrong cannot truly exist only what we decide to be right and wrong.

Example : I throw a ball into the middle of the field and I tell them do as you please , the little skinny kid wouldn't be in violation of any rules if he decided to kick the ball into the nearby river however in a game of football (or soccer ) as you like to call it the skinny could would be in violation of the rules because he kicked the ball out of the given boundaries.

As we are only subjective beings with no predifiened rules set for us my choices are just as justfiied as anyones elses , it would be absurd to claim that some one could establish rules that we should abide by because no one can be anything more than subjective , we cannot escape ourselves and see what is truly right or wrong.

 

"I'm an atheist, but I'm not killing, stealing, lying, raping, manipulating, and molesting my way through life. Why do you think that is?"

You possiblty don't want to be killed , stollen from , raped , manipulated, molested throughout your life so you choose not to do it to others , that's not to say that your are correcting and others are wrong in choosing to live differently from you , without a god nothing is predefined.

Do you honestly think the only morality in life comes from fear of a bad afterlife? I'm not afraid of anything and I'm a good person.

As a christian i'm influenced to be morale through various factors , the afterlife being one , I love god so I want to what he asks , I love my fellow human so I try not to hurt them , I love myself so I try not to degrade , harm myself.

Or am I only good because I'm afraid of jail?

Possibly , it may server as a factor , but only you would know.

Your religion doesn't get to regulate my life. I don't go to your church. Your religious ideas shouldn't affect laws I have to follow.

You shoudln't have to  we were created to do what we see best (free will) , and as time passes religion and law and further distancing themselves from each other so you won't have to worry about that for much longer.