If you are going to use a religious argument, I'm going to throw a religious argument right back.

The Bible, and books assosiated, were all written through out many generations. Some books were taken out of the series due to them contridicting Priests teachings. Like for example the Gospel of Mary, which shows that she was not a whore like current teachings suggest. The reason it and many were thrown out was due to the Church's switch in belief that women have no power in the Church, which before the books were thrown out was not true. Women were Priests or held even higher positions in the Church.

The Bible also is nothing more then a historical story book, thats right I said it. The Bible's stories are twisted stories of either what really happened, example the Plagues, or stories of faith, example Noah's Arch. A book and religion that has changed and been rewritten hundreds of times holds as much truth in it as the Harry Potter books. 

The concept of Religion is hope based. Without a belief of a higher being, or afterlife, or next step, there would be no belief in and of hope in this world. Without hope for even a better day then today, for example, would make this a very depressing world.

In general, you put the belief of what is right and wrong based on what a book told you. You have not allowed yourself to freely believe what you want. You are not letting your own thoughts freely understand the world around you and what is really right and wrong.

here gay weddings are allowed, and i'm proud of it, Being gay should not be a problem

Your statement is contradictory you can't have the later without the later.

ssj12 said:

SSJ Said :If you are going to use a religious argument, I'm going to throw a religious argument right back.

The Bible, and books assosiated, were all written through out many generations. Some books were taken out of the series due to them contridicting Priests teachings. Like for example the Gospel of Mary, which shows that she was not a whore like current teachings suggest. The reason it and many were thrown out was due to the Church's switch in belief that women have no power in the Church, which before the books were thrown out was not true. Women were Priests or held even higher positions in the Church.

The Bible also is nothing more then a historical story book, thats right I said it. The Bible's stories are twisted stories of either what really happened, example the Plagues, or stories of faith, example Noah's Arch. A book and religion that has changed and been rewritten hundreds of times holds as much truth in it as the Harry Potter books. 

The concept of Religion is hope based. Without a belief of a higher being, or afterlife, or next step, there would be no belief in and of hope in this world. Without hope for even a better day then today, for example, would make this a very depressing world.

In general, you put the belief of what is right and wrong based on what a book told you. You have not allowed yourself to freely believe what you want. You are not letting your own thoughts freely understand the world around you and what is really right and wrong.

Million Said Your post is full of opinionative , circumstantial , largley inconclusive information.

Traditional values? Which ones? Really, please list ANY and I will tear them down.

If you're talking about "nuclear families are necessary to raise moral children" then we need to make adoption, divorce, single parenting, and marriage after menopause illegal.

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins."

You actually don't have a point, if by a point, you mean something that makes any sense.

If your definition of harming others is people going "Ewww dudes kissing" I feel bad for you.

The same could  be said about everything you said , simply saying it doesn't make it so.

@Kas have you read anything I wrote ? or are you skim reading ?

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins."

I see your point but this isn't an apriori value , it wasn't encoded in our DNA when were born , it was created and said by a human , a subjective human , because you beleive there is no God the peadophile would be equaly justified in saying

"The righ to swing my fist ends where ever the fuck I feel"

If you reject god or at the very least a pre-determiner you must also reject every pre-defined value was apear to have , lying is as just as telling the truth , stealing is a justified as giving , you can't tell me otherwise.

OMG! That is classic!

I've read what you've said. You've yet to define any actual victim.

Who is a victim of consenting gay people having sex?

Like... say you walk in on two gay people having sex right now... how does that make you a victim?