Million said:
JustinUK said:
Million said:
My problem with the gay guy saying he wants the freedom to be gay is that we must be equal in saying that the individual such as the Pedophile should also be free to do as he sees right. |
Please don't bring up the old gay=pedophile connection. Gay adults wanting equal treatment is not the same as people (straight or gay) wanting to rape children. It's an argument I've heard many times before and I was disgusted by it the first time
For some reason I can't post outside the quote so i'll post inside . You can't have one without having the other , the freedom to escape our traditional values must be limitless in order for it to be true "freedom" otherwise you'd be imposing your values on others (something which is frowned upon in our western world) Here in the UK we say you do what you feel is best for you and i'll do what I feel is best for me but ironically I can't be fully free to do whats best for me if it limits others.
By saying a pedophile should rape an individual ( however obscene and disgusting the act is ) would be the same as saying homosexuality is good , you can't impose your own morale values upon me and say the two are different because according to our way of life we should be free to define ourselves , choose what we feel is best and no be dictated to , anything else would be a limitation of our freedom.
My argument is that freedom in the sense of complete freedom to do what we wish isn't generally productive and can't really work in practice , I can't be entirely free to do what I want without limiting the freedom of other people therefore restrictions in our freedom such as not being homosexual or not being a pedophile are necessary for the benefit of us all.
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Seriously Million, are you purposely stepping in front of a loaded gun? Honestly you are seriously making no apparent sense and you beliefs are way more twisted then anyone who believes they murdered people because a video game or God made them do it.
The concept of "traditional values" is completely bull in every way. There is no set standard for traditional values. Some people seem to believe the so called traditional value is society based but considering society's beliefs are ever changing there can be no standard set of values to be considered truly traditional.
Values are a set belief among a single individual. One's values stand along side one's morals to judge situations. Like you said, we are free to define ourselves which our values and morals sculp into who we are.
Morality is the deciding factor when it comes to what pedophiles do. Morals are set choices that make it so these people do what they do. Pedophiles and homosexuals should not be compared because each "group" as your putting it have different values.
Homosexuals know it is wrong to do what pedos do so their individual values make it so that they morally never walk down that path.
Frankly your entire argument is wrong in everyway and basically shows the same hate that Hitler showed towards the Jewish faith during the holocaust.
If you look at your argument, it basically makes it seem that your personal individual values would make it so that you believe what Hitler did was completely correct in every way and no one should have stopped him.
