I still don't get that part... The PS3 was released in 2007 not 2008. So he's using June 2007 vs June 2008 numbers.

I can live with the Wii selling more that the PS3.No problem.Different markets really,although some demographics are shared between them.

But its not being an ass saying that the frontpage numbers arent gospel.The site itself says that these are estimations.

And seeing some differences as the Wii shipped figures provided by Nintendo yesterday or the PS3-360 difference recognized by MS in some 5 million more than one month ago just add to the debate.Or the fact that the America numbers for both 360 and Wii are way ahead the NPD ones (a million or more even taking in count Canada)...while the PS3 numbers is behind NPD data.

I dont think theres any rule in the site that states clearly that "You must take our numbers as primary source over NPD or GFK,when shipped data from the manufacturers is behind the sold number in the frontpage it must be because some logical reason and you wont ever imply it can be a overtracking issue".This isnt a sect guys,although Neos and other posters like to act as if it were one.

That is one of the dumbest things I've heard.  Just because someone posts a lot doesn't mean they're worthy of being read by other people.  Just look at leo-j, 10k+ posts!

Please show me this proof that the numbers are a million above NPDs. Please. Also the rules say that there is a right to be skeptical, but after being told many times on how they are going to deal with the situtation you don't keep ranting, or if you don't have any evidence to backup your claim you don't start the debate in the first place.

When PS3 does great, you do not question it. You go along.

When it does worse than expectations, it is false.

One of my quotes on fanboys: "Something isn't true when it challenges [fanboy] beliefs."

This Europe Diomedes, not America. They have no coorelation sales-wise. VGChartz numbers are generally 5-10% within accuracy. If we say PS3 is 10% undertracked and Wii is 10% overtracked, that means the PS3 should be 28K and Wii would be 40K. Your theory still has holes if we use your ideas. For the Wii to have been outsold by PS3, ioi would have had to been off by 80%, and ioi's numbers are not that inaccurate.

My response to this thread: and look how far we've come in just a year when suddenly selling 85k for the PS3 in a single territory is a precipitous drop.

Last year, the total number of PS3's sold on June 15, 2007: ~59k This year, the PS3 beat that amount by ~25k just in one territory.

Its downhill for sony from here on out. As for price cuts, I doubt it. Sony is already losing money from the previous price cuts, they won't do it again. What Sony needs is good games and I just don't see that from the upcoming list.

Preciptious?

Don't use brobdingnagian words on me!

.....360 sales are bloody terrible at the moment. the only place where the price drop worked was the uk. i can't believe that this isn't the main talking point of the thread!

Damage control. It's people like you that really make me look forward to the numbers each week. When something doesn't go your way you don't know what to do, except spin it.

So, despite your enjoyment of posting here, you will literally tear the site down if the numbers don't agree with what you hoped they would be.

I'm sure you disagreed with NPD the month GTAIV was released. You're just that type of poster. I really don't have a big problem with it. Everyone sees you for what you really are, and that is certainly not a fair and balanced poster who can back up his assertions with evidence.

Nice attempt to derail, though. Not gonna happen. You guys still have NA numbers coming up. I'm glad I'm not a Sony fanboy this week, lol, last week wasn't worth it.